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Anothe way to make fuel, not algae based

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  • R Rob Graham

    The scale doesn't sound too optimistic. At 15000 Gal/Acre/yr it will take more than 3 million acres (4700 Sq. Miles) to satisfy current US annual demand for diesel fuel (diesel only, no gasoline or jet fuel included). NIMBY and capital costs will kill this because of the land/surface requirements.

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    3 million Acres need not be on a plain surface, this is bacteria, they can grow anywhere. Some form of alveoli like structures could put the required acreage into one large factory.

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      3 million Acres need not be on a plain surface, this is bacteria, they can grow anywhere. Some form of alveoli like structures could put the required acreage into one large factory.

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      It's a cyanobacterium which depends on photosynthesis to make the fuel, so it at least must have sunlight exposure. It won't work very well inside a factory, or in an aveoli like structure where most of the surface is not exposed to the outside (and hence sunlight).

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      • C Chris Losinger

        you can also make ethanol by giving sugar to yeast. and it's delicious.

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        Best with some hop extract, and barley. :beer:

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        • R Rob Graham

          The scale doesn't sound too optimistic. At 15000 Gal/Acre/yr it will take more than 3 million acres (4700 Sq. Miles) to satisfy current US annual demand for diesel fuel (diesel only, no gasoline or jet fuel included). NIMBY and capital costs will kill this because of the land/surface requirements.

          "People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi

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          Roger Wright
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          No problem - they can have Texas. That's only a city lot there...

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          • R Rob Graham

            It's a cyanobacterium which depends on photosynthesis to make the fuel, so it at least must have sunlight exposure. It won't work very well inside a factory, or in an aveoli like structure where most of the surface is not exposed to the outside (and hence sunlight).

            "People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi

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            It can still be grown vertically. And use an outdoors facility in a high sunshine area.

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              It can still be grown vertically. And use an outdoors facility in a high sunshine area.

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              Rob Graham
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              You're welcome to invest in it. I'll take a pass, thanks. :-D

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              • R Rob Graham

                The scale doesn't sound too optimistic. At 15000 Gal/Acre/yr it will take more than 3 million acres (4700 Sq. Miles) to satisfy current US annual demand for diesel fuel (diesel only, no gasoline or jet fuel included). NIMBY and capital costs will kill this because of the land/surface requirements.

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                4700 square miles is just 5% of the State of Arizona. Plenty of sunshine, plenty of desert with no vegetation / animal life.

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                • R Rob Graham

                  It's a cyanobacterium which depends on photosynthesis to make the fuel, so it at least must have sunlight exposure. It won't work very well inside a factory, or in an aveoli like structure where most of the surface is not exposed to the outside (and hence sunlight).

                  "People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi

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                  Andy Brummer
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                  If you can start incorporating it into something like this, you might have something. sky farming[^].

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    4700 square miles is just 5% of the State of Arizona. Plenty of sunshine, plenty of desert with no vegetation / animal life.

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    ahmed zahmed wrote:

                    plenty of desert with no vegetation / animal life.

                    Well that's untrue, but it would raise the intelligence level there... I mean ummm... here. :~

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                      ahmed zahmed wrote:

                      plenty of desert with no vegetation / animal life.

                      Well that's untrue, but it would raise the intelligence level there... I mean ummm... here. :~

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                      I didn't mean ALL of AZ was a lifeless desert.

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        I didn't mean ALL of AZ was a lifeless desert.

                        "If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams "Let me get this straight. You know her. She knows you. But she wants to eat him. And everybody's okay with this?"

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        Still, less than 5%.

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