I am not getting this JOB for sure
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
Its one thing to know how to use a library. It's another to understand what it does and why.
It is true. And I knew the answer of the question (it does based on the Metadata and yes I can go in depth) but my point was do we actually need to know that how does .net framework allocate memory and if yes why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
While I give your response a 5 and it is accurate for most .net developers (I hope) I'm reminded of the person that was hired at a place I worked at didn't know why a DVD wouldn't read in a CD drive. :sigh:
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Q: “How does .net framework allocate memory?” A: "Very well: it fits my needs, thank you
.NET!" :-\If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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[My articles]CPallini wrote:
A: "Very well: it fits my needs, thank you
.NET!"That's the right answer. I'll often ask the same kind of question myself, just to see if I'll get an "I'm a God, so I don't need to play nicely with others!" reply.
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So the right answer was either simply "underwater", or "I don't really care, as long as it works right". They probably only asked the question to weed out candidates who invent stuff to fill gaps in their knowledge, and to help spot bad team players (you know: the kind who'd give a snooty answer to a question like that).
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Mark Wallace wrote:
They probably only asked the question to weed out candidates who invent stuff to fill gaps in their knowledge, and to help spot bad team players
Yes that might be true but don't you think when the JOB Title say "C# win forms Developer" there should be at least about 10% of question based on C# language my interview lasted for more then one hour and only Question related to c# was "How C# is different from Java". Well i have just received the mail from them and they have offered me the position on senior developer and i really do not understand why...i guess life is unexpected. :) [Edit] and i have decided not to join the organization[/Edit]
modified on Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:13 AM
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CPallini wrote:
Q: “How does .net framework allocate memory?”
A: "Very well: it fits my needs, thank you
.NET!" :->LOL....This would have got me the job for sure... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
CS2011 wrote:
LOL....This would have got me the job for sure...
Yes, it would have. You could have said "I don't give a flying ****, so long as it ain't broken", and it would have got you the job, because it's honest, and shows, in a minor way, that you are not so likely to waste time on things that don't need time spent on them. But it's a bad idea to give someone an "I'm smarter than you!" answer, especially if you don't get their reasons for asking the question -- i.e. they probably wanted to weed out candidates who would give an "I'm smarter than you!" answer, because they're looking for a team player.
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Good answer, could you give me, please, any reference?
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[My articles]Sorry, but if a reference existed, GC wouldn't have taken action.
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Good answer, could you give me, please, any reference?
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
Its one thing to know how to use a library. It's another to understand what it does and why.
It is true. And I knew the answer of the question (it does based on the Metadata and yes I can go in depth) but my point was do we actually need to know that how does .net framework allocate memory and if yes why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
CS2011 wrote:
why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
I think the question answers itself. The more you know and understand how it works the better decisions you will make in constructing your applications. In a web application, ViewState, Session state and Application state can all store objects and data. Why use one over the other? Without the knowledge and understanding how they function your application could have serious performance or security issues. The attitude of just let the framework handle it is fine for a junior level developer. If you want your career to progress, then learn what the framework actually does.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Mark Wallace wrote:
They probably only asked the question to weed out candidates who invent stuff to fill gaps in their knowledge, and to help spot bad team players
Yes that might be true but don't you think when the JOB Title say "C# win forms Developer" there should be at least about 10% of question based on C# language my interview lasted for more then one hour and only Question related to c# was "How C# is different from Java". Well i have just received the mail from them and they have offered me the position on senior developer and i really do not understand why...i guess life is unexpected. :) [Edit] and i have decided not to join the organization[/Edit]
modified on Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:13 AM
Congrats on the offer, then... :)
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Mark Wallace wrote:
They probably only asked the question to weed out candidates who invent stuff to fill gaps in their knowledge, and to help spot bad team players
Yes that might be true but don't you think when the JOB Title say "C# win forms Developer" there should be at least about 10% of question based on C# language my interview lasted for more then one hour and only Question related to c# was "How C# is different from Java". Well i have just received the mail from them and they have offered me the position on senior developer and i really do not understand why...i guess life is unexpected. :) [Edit] and i have decided not to join the organization[/Edit]
modified on Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:13 AM
CS2011 wrote:
they have offered me the position on senior developer
Who is this company? I'd like to make sure I avoid them and any products you may involved with.
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Congrats on the offer, then... :)
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Mark Wallace wrote:
They probably only asked the question to weed out candidates who invent stuff to fill gaps in their knowledge, and to help spot bad team players
Yes that might be true but don't you think when the JOB Title say "C# win forms Developer" there should be at least about 10% of question based on C# language my interview lasted for more then one hour and only Question related to c# was "How C# is different from Java". Well i have just received the mail from them and they have offered me the position on senior developer and i really do not understand why...i guess life is unexpected. :) [Edit] and i have decided not to join the organization[/Edit]
modified on Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:13 AM
CS2011 wrote:
there should be at least about 10% of question based on C# language my interview lasted for more then one hour and only Question related to c# was "How C# is different from Java".
Maybe you or a number of other candidates have Java in your CVs, so they built up questions that would cover that, or maybe it's because they (or other developers there) know Java, so it will make it easier to discuss stuff if you have awareness of both languages. Who knows? You just have to answer the questions as honestly as you can (a good interviewer with the right set of questions will spot a billshutter pretty damned quick), and hope you're what they're looking for -- and that the job is what you're looking for, of course. If they offered you the job, it's because you gave the kind of answers they wanted to get from the guy for that role.
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CS2011 wrote:
LOL....This would have got me the job for sure...
Yes, it would have. You could have said "I don't give a flying ****, so long as it ain't broken", and it would have got you the job, because it's honest, and shows, in a minor way, that you are not so likely to waste time on things that don't need time spent on them. But it's a bad idea to give someone an "I'm smarter than you!" answer, especially if you don't get their reasons for asking the question -- i.e. they probably wanted to weed out candidates who would give an "I'm smarter than you!" answer, because they're looking for a team player.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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CS2011 wrote:
why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
I think the question answers itself. The more you know and understand how it works the better decisions you will make in constructing your applications. In a web application, ViewState, Session state and Application state can all store objects and data. Why use one over the other? Without the knowledge and understanding how they function your application could have serious performance or security issues. The attitude of just let the framework handle it is fine for a junior level developer. If you want your career to progress, then learn what the framework actually does.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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CS2011 wrote:
they have offered me the position on senior developer
Who is this company? I'd like to make sure I avoid them and any products you may involved with.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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I don't think knowing how does .net frame work allocate memory is going to help me writing more efficient program in C#(ya in C++ and all it's different story) because you can not control it any way. If you can i would definitely like to learn that.
Its not a matter of being able to control it or not. It's a matter of understanding how and why it works. If I've encountered a problem I want to know why it was a problem and how the method works so I can avoid the issue in the future or take other mitigation.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
Its one thing to know how to use a library. It's another to understand what it does and why.
It is true. And I knew the answer of the question (it does based on the Metadata and yes I can go in depth) but my point was do we actually need to know that how does .net framework allocate memory and if yes why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
CS2011 wrote:
but my point was do we actually need to know that how does .net framework allocate memory and if yes why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
I think you've misunderstood the point of an interview. It's not just to find out if someone can fulfill the requirements of a given job, it's also to find out about that person in general. Are you the kind of person who likes to know how things work or are you the kind of person that doesn't care, for instance. Answers to those kinds of questions can help determine whether or not an employee is the kind of person who's going to stick around and advance in the company vs. someone who's just there to do a job and could jump-ship at any time. Cheers, Drew.
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CS2011 wrote:
but my point was do we actually need to know that how does .net framework allocate memory and if yes why do we need to know that and how it’s going to help me in write better C# program
I think you've misunderstood the point of an interview. It's not just to find out if someone can fulfill the requirements of a given job, it's also to find out about that person in general. Are you the kind of person who likes to know how things work or are you the kind of person that doesn't care, for instance. Answers to those kinds of questions can help determine whether or not an employee is the kind of person who's going to stick around and advance in the company vs. someone who's just there to do a job and could jump-ship at any time. Cheers, Drew.
Drew Stainton wrote:
Are you the kind of person who likes to know how things work or are you the kind of person that doesn't care, for instance.
i agree that this might be the case but after a point it was just Irritating for me although I did answer almost all the question they asked about .net framework but like Why CTS and CLS is need and what is the difference between two and many other questions on memory management but this question was limit for me. Any way thanks for your point of view. Highly appreciated.:thumbsup:
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Drew Stainton wrote:
Are you the kind of person who likes to know how things work or are you the kind of person that doesn't care, for instance.
i agree that this might be the case but after a point it was just Irritating for me although I did answer almost all the question they asked about .net framework but like Why CTS and CLS is need and what is the difference between two and many other questions on memory management but this question was limit for me. Any way thanks for your point of view. Highly appreciated.:thumbsup:
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Went for a job interview today after the basic question on .net Framework he asked some question on memory management. I answered the question like GC and others…Then he went on to ask “How does .net framework allocate memory” and my answer was… If I wanted to know that I would have learned C or C++ and not C# and If I remember correctly I am here for C# interview and .NET framework does the memory management for me(Well most of the time). :laugh:
So, in your opinion, a .NET developer is not supposed to know that ? I can accept that one does not need to know the internals in detail but they should at least have some basic knowledge of how it works. For that matter why even a C++ or a C developer need to know that. He can say that all I do is to call new or malloc and memory gets allocated for me.
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Went for a job interview today after the basic question on .net Framework he asked some question on memory management. I answered the question like GC and others…Then he went on to ask “How does .net framework allocate memory” and my answer was… If I wanted to know that I would have learned C or C++ and not C# and If I remember correctly I am here for C# interview and .NET framework does the memory management for me(Well most of the time). :laugh:
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