It seems that, to get a job you should learn Perl and SQL.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Have you ever seen the code an electronics engineer produces? It's worse than the PCB's produced by us softy types..
Yes I have I used to work with them and tried to encourage them to let me do it. I finally succeeded with most of them but a few were to proud and had to do it themselves and it looked like caca. Code review...I don't need no stinking code review. :)
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In the U.S. at least.[^]. OTOH I have seen other Articles/Blogs that show different results. Here[^] for example shows Perl way below both Java and C# (interestingly, Java is just below C# but gets better pay). There are hundreds of these, all varying in their rankings. From a very quick browse, the only constant seems to be that SQL ranks highly more frequently than most. It doesn't affect me, I learn whichever interests me at any given moment. For those of you in the market, though, do you try to learn whatever seems to be high ranking or just look for the best job using what you already know? Hey, Pete! Is this deep enough for you?
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I just look for the best job with what I already know, but it helps that C# ranks quite well here.
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<shudder> Have you ever seen the code an electronics engineer produces? It's worse than the PCB's produced by us softy types...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I don't need no stinking code review
...Or comments, or standards, or modularity, and what's wrong with one letter variable names anyway? "While" is too slow, that's why I use "goto". Of course my program is all on one line. It's all one program. Yes, that is a long line. But it works! And so on...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
...put braces on a separate line? Why? That's a waste of good disk space. :laugh:
Best wishes, Hans
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I don't need no stinking code review
...Or comments, or standards, or modularity, and what's wrong with one letter variable names anyway? "While" is too slow, that's why I use "goto". Of course my program is all on one line. It's all one program. Yes, that is a long line. But it works! And so on...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
Typical EE Code...in my day. 10 INPUT "What is your name: ", U$ 20 PRINT "Hello "; U$ 30 INPUT "How many stars do you want: ", N 40 S$ = "" 50 FOR I = 1 TO N 60 S$ = S$ + "*" 70 NEXT I 80 PRINT S$ 90 INPUT "Do you want more stars? ", A$ 100 IF LEN(A$) = 0 THEN GOTO 90 110 A$ = LEFT$(A$, 1) 120 IF A$ = "Y" OR A$ = "y" THEN GOTO 30 130 PRINT "Goodbye "; U$ 140 END I was teaching them 'C' and Assembler while weening them away from basic. They were a tough crowd but we all became good friends and here 30 some years later some of us still communicate.
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And then I toddle along and make PCBs for my old computer as well as writing code on it...
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
I don't actually show my PCB's to anyone, :-O They do what I want them to do, most of the time but they ain't pretty.
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<shudder> Have you ever seen the code an electronics engineer produces? It's worse than the PCB's produced by us softy types...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
Standards must be slipping then. Back when I was doing this for a living, the main difference between my code and the stuff produced by the "softies" was that mine worked. Every time. ;P
Will Rogers never met me.
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In the U.S. at least.[^]. OTOH I have seen other Articles/Blogs that show different results. Here[^] for example shows Perl way below both Java and C# (interestingly, Java is just below C# but gets better pay). There are hundreds of these, all varying in their rankings. From a very quick browse, the only constant seems to be that SQL ranks highly more frequently than most. It doesn't affect me, I learn whichever interests me at any given moment. For those of you in the market, though, do you try to learn whatever seems to be high ranking or just look for the best job using what you already know? Hey, Pete! Is this deep enough for you?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
it's not so much "C#" as it's a Microsoft Language that's better than vb. purely on flexibility / replacement of the actual resource. Linq is fail - it's purely a marketing tool so that people dont revert back to unix databases with 'ease" ina few years time, When costs of operations becomes a factor. Microsoft skills will always be in abundants on the recruitment market - because most companies prefer standardization -> Microsoft's way. I've got 25 languages behind my back - yet when i enter a new project / team - i get the "Do you follow Microsoft's coding convention" - then i remove the icepick from my briefcase ...
Yeee :cool:
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it's not so much "C#" as it's a Microsoft Language that's better than vb. purely on flexibility / replacement of the actual resource. Linq is fail - it's purely a marketing tool so that people dont revert back to unix databases with 'ease" ina few years time, When costs of operations becomes a factor. Microsoft skills will always be in abundants on the recruitment market - because most companies prefer standardization -> Microsoft's way. I've got 25 languages behind my back - yet when i enter a new project / team - i get the "Do you follow Microsoft's coding convention" - then i remove the icepick from my briefcase ...
Yeee :cool:
xcorporation wrote:
Linq is fail - it's purely a marketing tool
Did you mean LINQ to SQL? If you're talking about LINQ the language feature, then I'll have to disagree.
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I don't actually show my PCB's to anyone, :-O They do what I want them to do, most of the time but they ain't pretty.
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Nowadays I use a layout program and then let some company etch them. Next little project will be a modernized version of my old computer with a small LCD graphics display, PS2 ports for mouse and keyboard, huge 1 meg RAM / ROM and a simple IDE interface. No more hex keyboard and no more LED displays.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
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Nowadays I use a layout program and then let some company etch them. Next little project will be a modernized version of my old computer with a small LCD graphics display, PS2 ports for mouse and keyboard, huge 1 meg RAM / ROM and a simple IDE interface. No more hex keyboard and no more LED displays.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
CDP1802 wrote:
Nowadays I use a layout program and then let some company etch them. Next little project will be a modernized version of my old computer with a small LCD graphics display, PS2 ports for mouse and keyboard, huge 1 meg RAM / ROM and a simple IDE interface. No more hex keyboard and no more LED displays.
Pretty ambitious project. I've been thinking of getting a board made but a friend was supposed to be helping me financially in a project we've been talking about doing for years and hasn't and I can't afford it myself. I created a proof of concept but it's that a proof of concept. What Company do you use to make your boards?
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xcorporation wrote:
Linq is fail - it's purely a marketing tool
Did you mean LINQ to SQL? If you're talking about LINQ the language feature, then I'll have to disagree.
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i realy dont care if you disagree or not. if you have anything to add constructively du su mo.
Yeee :cool:
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And I thought, good old C still was the most widely used language.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
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it's not so much "C#" as it's a Microsoft Language that's better than vb. purely on flexibility / replacement of the actual resource. Linq is fail - it's purely a marketing tool so that people dont revert back to unix databases with 'ease" ina few years time, When costs of operations becomes a factor. Microsoft skills will always be in abundants on the recruitment market - because most companies prefer standardization -> Microsoft's way. I've got 25 languages behind my back - yet when i enter a new project / team - i get the "Do you follow Microsoft's coding convention" - then i remove the icepick from my briefcase ...
Yeee :cool:
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CDP1802 wrote:
Nowadays I use a layout program and then let some company etch them. Next little project will be a modernized version of my old computer with a small LCD graphics display, PS2 ports for mouse and keyboard, huge 1 meg RAM / ROM and a simple IDE interface. No more hex keyboard and no more LED displays.
Pretty ambitious project. I've been thinking of getting a board made but a friend was supposed to be helping me financially in a project we've been talking about doing for years and hasn't and I can't afford it myself. I created a proof of concept but it's that a proof of concept. What Company do you use to make your boards?
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Here you get one or two boards made for as low as 10 bucks each and all I need for hobby purposes. What is it you want to do and how many boards would you have made?
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
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Here you get one or two boards made for as low as 10 bucks each and all I need for hobby purposes. What is it you want to do and how many boards would you have made?
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
I just need a couple of boards for now but in the future who knows? This friend of mine has a business that caters to the well to-do people at the beach where each year during the xmas season he hangs xmas lights and ornaments and then takes them down at the end of the season. Well what we have come up with is a way to control the lights and we want to market the product to his clientele.
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In the U.S. at least.[^]. OTOH I have seen other Articles/Blogs that show different results. Here[^] for example shows Perl way below both Java and C# (interestingly, Java is just below C# but gets better pay). There are hundreds of these, all varying in their rankings. From a very quick browse, the only constant seems to be that SQL ranks highly more frequently than most. It doesn't affect me, I learn whichever interests me at any given moment. For those of you in the market, though, do you try to learn whatever seems to be high ranking or just look for the best job using what you already know? Hey, Pete! Is this deep enough for you?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
I don't know how many of these jobs are around but Clojure tops the list at £90,000.
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Oi! I can at times produce a pretty neat PCB. Not as neat as my code, but...
So can I. But just as I wouldn't try a four layer SMT incorporating 800MHz microBGA devices I still get my H/W designer to do 99% of the layouts. He does a much better job, much quicker! (Then I check it for him and tell him what I think needs improving) :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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...put braces on a separate line? Why? That's a waste of good disk space. :laugh:
Best wishes, Hans
And did you know, if you use smaller fonts in the editor, the compiled program is smaller too! :-D
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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i realy dont care if you disagree or not. if you have anything to add constructively du su mo.
Yeee :cool:
LINQ is not an ORM. It is a language feature to use declarative syntax to operate over (lazily evaluated) data.There is LINQ to XML, for example, that lets you write and create XML DOM trees using LINQ syntax. Oh, and it spawned a variety of language features like anonymous types, local variable type inferencing etc. What exactly don't you like about LINQ?
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