Why (insert name of Microsoft product here) sucks today
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Media2r wrote:
I like MS products.
I don't know if I "like" their products as much as I make my living with their products. Some of their products are better than others but they ALL can be so much better if they (MS) believed in quality versus quantity.
They have several products I do like, and that I lay claim are quality products. I'm not here to start a flame war, nor to exude fanboyism, but simply to give my point of view. I find that Exchange (particularily 2003 and later) and Excel are but two products that are quality in my book. AD is also quality in my book, although the native management tools leaves a bit to be desired. There are many more. In contrast, there are quite a few MS products I wouldn't go close to, even wearing HasMat gear. //L
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I've seen a lot of these kinds of posts over the years, and I am finally moved to ask: They suck just today?
Yes... then the one that says Microsoft products suck remember the name of the beast "Lotus Notes" and then suddenly the Microsoft products don't suck anymore. :rolleyes:
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They have several products I do like, and that I lay claim are quality products. I'm not here to start a flame war, nor to exude fanboyism, but simply to give my point of view. I find that Exchange (particularily 2003 and later) and Excel are but two products that are quality in my book. AD is also quality in my book, although the native management tools leaves a bit to be desired. There are many more. In contrast, there are quite a few MS products I wouldn't go close to, even wearing HasMat gear. //L
I agree. The last time I used Excel it was brilliant - however I moved to OO because the rest of Office was a PITA. MS do have a habit of taking good products and bollixing them completely, and I haven't tried the 2010 version.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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I've seen a lot of these kinds of posts over the years, and I am finally moved to ask: They suck just today?
That would be more like it.
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They have several products I do like, and that I lay claim are quality products. I'm not here to start a flame war, nor to exude fanboyism, but simply to give my point of view. I find that Exchange (particularily 2003 and later) and Excel are but two products that are quality in my book. AD is also quality in my book, although the native management tools leaves a bit to be desired. There are many more. In contrast, there are quite a few MS products I wouldn't go close to, even wearing HasMat gear. //L
Media2r wrote:
I'm not here to start a flame war, nor to exude fanboyism, but simply to give my point of view.
We are only debating on your original post, which I think was good. I got no impression that you want to start a flame war. I think your point of view is not only valid but welcome...not that I or anyone else here, gets to decide that someone's point of view is valid or any better than someone else. Fanboyism...that's just silly. :) I think, that Excel is one of the greatest products ever put out by MS...to this day. Could it be better, sure, but not by much. :thumbsup:
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I agree. The last time I used Excel it was brilliant - however I moved to OO because the rest of Office was a PITA. MS do have a habit of taking good products and bollixing them completely, and I haven't tried the 2010 version.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
OriginalGriff wrote:
and I haven't tried the 2010 version.
Don’t, the ribbon toolbar is a devil creation. I bought office 2010 because I’m a big fan of MS Word and I’m struggling to get used with the ribbon from one year, but so far no joy. Either I’m a little on the slow side or the ribbon is a huge victory of appearance over the functionality. It feels like some project created from totally inexperienced and not very bright programmer – a plenty of knick-knacks and zero usability.
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Yes... then the one that says Microsoft products suck remember the name of the beast "Lotus Notes" and then suddenly the Microsoft products don't suck anymore. :rolleyes:
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Joan Murt wrote:
Yes... then the one that says Microsoft products suck remember the name of the beast "Lotus Notes" and then suddenly the Microsoft products don't suck anymore. :rolleyes:
Can I get an AMEN!? I said...can I get an AMEN? I wrote a post a few weeks ago describing my desire to snuff out Blotus Notes' existence on earth. :) :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Media2r wrote:
I'm not here to start a flame war, nor to exude fanboyism, but simply to give my point of view.
We are only debating on your original post, which I think was good. I got no impression that you want to start a flame war. I think your point of view is not only valid but welcome...not that I or anyone else here, gets to decide that someone's point of view is valid or any better than someone else. Fanboyism...that's just silly. :) I think, that Excel is one of the greatest products ever put out by MS...to this day. Could it be better, sure, but not by much. :thumbsup:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
and I haven't tried the 2010 version.
Don’t, the ribbon toolbar is a devil creation. I bought office 2010 because I’m a big fan of MS Word and I’m struggling to get used with the ribbon from one year, but so far no joy. Either I’m a little on the slow side or the ribbon is a huge victory of appearance over the functionality. It feels like some project created from totally inexperienced and not very bright programmer – a plenty of knick-knacks and zero usability.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I’m struggling to get used with the ribbon from one year,
Same here. I still can't remember where everything is at on the ribbon.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
and I haven't tried the 2010 version.
Don’t, the ribbon toolbar is a devil creation. I bought office 2010 because I’m a big fan of MS Word and I’m struggling to get used with the ribbon from one year, but so far no joy. Either I’m a little on the slow side or the ribbon is a huge victory of appearance over the functionality. It feels like some project created from totally inexperienced and not very bright programmer – a plenty of knick-knacks and zero usability.
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See what I mean by "have a habit of taking good products and bollixing them completely"? :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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OriginalGriff wrote:
and I haven't tried the 2010 version.
Don’t, the ribbon toolbar is a devil creation. I bought office 2010 because I’m a big fan of MS Word and I’m struggling to get used with the ribbon from one year, but so far no joy. Either I’m a little on the slow side or the ribbon is a huge victory of appearance over the functionality. It feels like some project created from totally inexperienced and not very bright programmer – a plenty of knick-knacks and zero usability.
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The Ribbon is actually quite nice, if you're just typing up a simple word document. But yes, if one wants to do some glitzy formatting or do some serious work, it is a real pain. While novice users will find the Ribbon easy, MS should have given an option to switch to the old menu system for advanced users.
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I've seen a lot of these kinds of posts over the years, and I am finally moved to ask: They suck just today?
In the past 14 years of my software development career I've observed that: Microsoft products aren't perfect. Neither is anyone else's. Some Microsoft products do, in fact, suck. Some products suck worse than Microsoft's offerings. The design and use of Microsoft products generally differ from those with which detractors are most familiar. Cheer up, none of this is important in THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS anyway.
In Christ, Rhino "Why look within yourself for the TRUTH when you're the one who's confused in the first place?"
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The Ribbon is actually quite nice, if you're just typing up a simple word document. But yes, if one wants to do some glitzy formatting or do some serious work, it is a real pain. While novice users will find the Ribbon easy, MS should have given an option to switch to the old menu system for advanced users.
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
SimulationofSai wrote:
While novice users will find the Ribbon easy, MS should have given an option to switch to the old menu system for advanced users.
Amen!
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