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I'm glad to see there's other Opera users on here - There doesn't seem to be many of us :( I've been using it since around when version 6 or 7 came out. :)
Yes! One more almost 10 years happy Opera user here (for browsing, email, nntp, feeds, sync, download manager, etc.). I will eventually have IE9 on my machine, for development purposes or for specific sites (I have experimented that LogMeIn works well in IE only). Chrome is also on my machine, for test purposes, as well as Safari and FF. Actually I don't use FF, as it does nothing more or better or faster than the others. I still can't understand why people use FF and how it got its market share.
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thats not good, the only issues i have had with chrome is when occasionally, a plug in fails with a particular site. Which version of chrome was that that failed, if you haven't used it for a while, maybe its not updated to the latest V10, or perhaps if that was the first opening since its update. Not trying to defend it, just saying thats all........... :)
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It's actually 10.0.648.134, but I don't use it much - mainly for checking compatibility when developing web pages - so it may be the first time I've opened it since an upgrade. I've also got Firefox 3.6.12 and Safari 5.0.3 (7533.19.4) installed for the same reason (but don't happen to have Opera on this PC). Arguing over which browser is best based on new features etc always amuses me, since we have users who have to have their browsers downgraded to IE7 due a compatibility issue with Oracle's HFM web package. It doesn't play nicely with IE8 and other browsers are not corporate standards (although they aren't banned either).
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U Chrome and FF fans, don't really like change, do u(or feel threatened by it)? Instead of admiting that ie9 is a great browser, very intuitive and easy to use, it has great features that non of the other browsers have. Pls. don't make stupid remarks(no auto-restart on setup completion). It prooves u are pathetic. The reviews don't lie. IE9 is here to stay and it's great.
ardagii wrote:
U Chrome and FF fans, don't really like change, do u(or feel threatened by it)?
Surely your the one who doesn't like change. i.e. you just stick with the browser that you get given. And the only change for us Chrome users to IE9 is that IE9 still sucks no matter how much it wants to be Chrome - IE9 is a poor attempt to look and feel like Chrome
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Yes! One more almost 10 years happy Opera user here (for browsing, email, nntp, feeds, sync, download manager, etc.). I will eventually have IE9 on my machine, for development purposes or for specific sites (I have experimented that LogMeIn works well in IE only). Chrome is also on my machine, for test purposes, as well as Safari and FF. Actually I don't use FF, as it does nothing more or better or faster than the others. I still can't understand why people use FF and how it got its market share.
Marc Greiner at home wrote:
Actually I don't use FF, as it does nothing more or better or faster than the others. I still can't understand why people use FF and how it got its market share.
I had always used IE just because it was already there. But when IE7 was released I found it so butt-ugly and counter-intuitive that I switched to FF. It was strictly about the UI. And I've been a happy FF user since then. I'm told that FF is also about to adopt the vacant and confusing look used by Chrome and Opera. That will greatly disappoint me.
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So, i thought i had at least upgrade my IE, get it out of the way. So downloads installer and kicks it off: and it closed everything running to install, reopened them again and then told me to restart computer to use it. :wtf: (Why not just close everything, install and then restart computer as part of the install process). Anyway, took a few sites for a quick spin, Engadget, CP, MSN, and after 60 seconds of this, i thought why did i bother. It's toolbar arrangement, tabs, address bar, all look so dated. The page scrolling is not very pretty, it just feels so X| Think I will be staying with chrome.........
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It took me a little longer than 60 seconds, but I don't care for it either. Took 3 tries, and killing almost everything else I usually run, before the installer worked, but finally got it installed and rebooted. It is definitely FAST. Pages load in a snap. The user interface is UGLY - the menu bar, command bar, favorites bar and status bar have not changed appearance significantly, so they don't fit with the new style at all. The result is a horrible mishmash of two different interface styles! The first thing I did was the tabs show on a separate row instead of the same row as the toolbar buttons (whoever thought that was a good idea never had more than two tabs open at a time). Then I found that you cannot move the tabs row! So the menu bar, favorites bar and command bar are all now between my tabs and my browser window!!! I absolutely HATE that. I'd give it 5 stars for speed, and minus 7 stars for ugliness and unfriendly interface. As soon as I post this I'm going to uninstall it.
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I haven't tried IE9, but I started with IE1 and stayed with the series until something much better came along. Over the years MS lost it's way - and ground - to it's competitors so much that I went elsewhere, and have never found a need to go back. IE9 may be a good browser, but so is Chrome, so is Firefox, so is Opera. Each of those have "great features" than IE doesn't. And if you think "reviews don't lie" then you have a whole lot to learn!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
IE9 may be a good browser, but so is Chrome, so is Firefox, so is Opera. Each of those have "great features" that IE doesn't.
On my machine I have all of those plus Safari as I need to be sure the app I write works in all of them. I'm not sure which "great" features each of those browsers has that IE doesn't -- at least for the average user, and that's the main target for IE. FF has a ton of plugins, but I'll bet most people don't use but one or two, if any. Opera works quite differently from IE, so for those switching, they have to love the difference (and I've used Opera since the days I had to pay for it). I haven't had any of the issues with Facebook and IE9 that someone else mentioned -- at least not in quite some time. Originally, yes, there were issues, but Facebook fixed them. There were a few other issues, but at present I have only one -- certain Flash movies won't play if protected mode is on. Maybe that's a good thing. Anyway, there is one thing that IE does better than the rest that impacts the app I maintain -- its Print Preview is excellent. One part of the app I work on is 10 years old -- back to the days of frames (someday I'll have time to rewrite this, but for now it's too integral to the app to get rid of it). The app also has several pages that users like to print out. IE is the only browser that makes it easy to print just the selected frame, or just the selected text, and to shrink to fit, etc. I can't even find a print preview feature in Chrome. I can find no way to print only the selected frame in FF (without using JavaScript, that is). Safari's print doesn't print input box outlines properly and it also doesn't deal with the frames properly. (I *SO* wish I could get rid of those frames). Opera's print preview is too confusing to figure out.
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It took me a little longer than 60 seconds, but I don't care for it either. Took 3 tries, and killing almost everything else I usually run, before the installer worked, but finally got it installed and rebooted. It is definitely FAST. Pages load in a snap. The user interface is UGLY - the menu bar, command bar, favorites bar and status bar have not changed appearance significantly, so they don't fit with the new style at all. The result is a horrible mishmash of two different interface styles! The first thing I did was the tabs show on a separate row instead of the same row as the toolbar buttons (whoever thought that was a good idea never had more than two tabs open at a time). Then I found that you cannot move the tabs row! So the menu bar, favorites bar and command bar are all now between my tabs and my browser window!!! I absolutely HATE that. I'd give it 5 stars for speed, and minus 7 stars for ugliness and unfriendly interface. As soon as I post this I'm going to uninstall it.
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U Chrome and FF fans, don't really like change, do u(or feel threatened by it)? Instead of admiting that ie9 is a great browser, very intuitive and easy to use, it has great features that non of the other browsers have. Pls. don't make stupid remarks(no auto-restart on setup completion). It prooves u are pathetic. The reviews don't lie. IE9 is here to stay and it's great.
ardagii wrote:
The reviews don't lie. IE9 is here to stay and it's great.
Review #1: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/ie9-vs-chrome-10-vs-firefox-4-rc-vs-opera-1101-vs-safari-5-the-big-browser-benchmark/11890?pg=6&tag=mantle_skin;content[^] Review #2: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/Internet-Explorer-9.aspx[^] hmmmm...your right, the reviews don't lie. :)
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tsdragon wrote:
As soon as I post this I'm going to uninstall it.
I could be wrong, but thought IE installation was one way thing.......
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Not so. If you look under "Programs and Features", "View Installed Updates", "Microsoft Windows" you'll find an entry for Internet Explorer 9. It's gone from my system. Uninstalling was faster and easier than installing.
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So, i thought i had at least upgrade my IE, get it out of the way. So downloads installer and kicks it off: and it closed everything running to install, reopened them again and then told me to restart computer to use it. :wtf: (Why not just close everything, install and then restart computer as part of the install process). Anyway, took a few sites for a quick spin, Engadget, CP, MSN, and after 60 seconds of this, i thought why did i bother. It's toolbar arrangement, tabs, address bar, all look so dated. The page scrolling is not very pretty, it just feels so X| Think I will be staying with chrome.........
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Is there some form of conspiracy going on here at CP or am I just paranoid? I post a message about using a new browser which I hadn't heard of before and NO-ONE responds. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3759370#xx3759370xx[^] Someone posts a message about IE9 and a whole discussion kicks off. Hmmmm I wonder why? :) I don't suppose I'll get a sensible reply to this either. ;P
I'm too lazy to Google it for you.
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Is there some form of conspiracy going on here at CP or am I just paranoid? I post a message about using a new browser which I hadn't heard of before and NO-ONE responds. http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=3759370#xx3759370xx[^] Someone posts a message about IE9 and a whole discussion kicks off. Hmmmm I wonder why? :) I don't suppose I'll get a sensible reply to this either. ;P
I'm too lazy to Google it for you.
Oh, your not feeling left out are you? If it makes you feel any better, i did look at the link when you first posted it, but probably got sidetracked by the wife/kids/work etc, that never posted a comment. To be honest, i didn't think this thread was going to end up the way it did. bizarre really.........
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Not so. If you look under "Programs and Features", "View Installed Updates", "Microsoft Windows" you'll find an entry for Internet Explorer 9. It's gone from my system. Uninstalling was faster and easier than installing.
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Thats where i went wrong, i looked under uninstall a program, not uninstall and update! glad you happily removed it, did it roll back to whatever you had previously, e.g. ie8, ie7
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Yes! One more almost 10 years happy Opera user here (for browsing, email, nntp, feeds, sync, download manager, etc.). I will eventually have IE9 on my machine, for development purposes or for specific sites (I have experimented that LogMeIn works well in IE only). Chrome is also on my machine, for test purposes, as well as Safari and FF. Actually I don't use FF, as it does nothing more or better or faster than the others. I still can't understand why people use FF and how it got its market share.
Marc Greiner at home wrote:
I still can't understand why people use FF
Because it has the biggest Add-In store. Maybe you don't use them, but they can be very useful. To mention two that I use the most: 1 - IE Tab II/Chrome Tab: These add-ins put a tiny icon on the status bar so you can instantly change the rendering engine of the browser. Want to text on three different browsers, no need to fire them up, a simple click of a button and you can see the results of different rendering engines in a heartbeat, simply useful. It also makes it very easy to handle websites that work best at specific engines. You can save the urls and when you type it on the address bar, FF automatically switches to the prefered engine for that website. 2 - Firebug (which is also available on Chrome): It makes debugger's life much easier by allowing to debug the web app in the browser with split screen. These are only two. Currently I have 9 Add-Ins that I use, from Tabs and Favorites sync to World Clocks, all of them makes many tasks easier, faster and in one place. Now you know something FF is better than others. And its market share has been built for a long time, specially as alternative to IE. Now we have more options, but market share is built over lack of options. Opera missed that when it had the chance to stand out in the right moment. I used Opera once, couldn't work on most websites I used so I promptly removed it. Never really used it for testing as I don't build large public web apps and my target audience does not use it, so there is no reason as of yet to ever have it.
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Oh, your not feeling left out are you? If it makes you feel any better, i did look at the link when you first posted it, but probably got sidetracked by the wife/kids/work etc, that never posted a comment. To be honest, i didn't think this thread was going to end up the way it did. bizarre really.........
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So, i thought i had at least upgrade my IE, get it out of the way. So downloads installer and kicks it off: and it closed everything running to install, reopened them again and then told me to restart computer to use it. :wtf: (Why not just close everything, install and then restart computer as part of the install process). Anyway, took a few sites for a quick spin, Engadget, CP, MSN, and after 60 seconds of this, i thought why did i bother. It's toolbar arrangement, tabs, address bar, all look so dated. The page scrolling is not very pretty, it just feels so X| Think I will be staying with chrome.........
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I've been playing with both IE9 and Chrome most of the morning. IE9 seems to work fine - it is a lot faster than it was but Chrome 10 just seems "snappier" still. I've gotten so used to Chrome over the last couple years I just don't know if I feel like switching back. There's only one site I used occasionally that I can't use Chrome on right now but, aside from that, it's really solid; just works. I don't develop web code so I don't care about that aspect of it. The Chrome presentation just seems a little cleaner if that makes any sense. -Max
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Fine for me. hate browsers per se, this is the best out of a bad bunch :)
I'd agree. The office here is on an MS stack and we're moving everyone over to 9. All the testing showed that JS performance was better and a couple of our third party apps that use multiple JS libraries all work as designed now (we had somethings we had to do in FF or Chrome) so it's nice not having to switch browsers now.
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Thats where i went wrong, i looked under uninstall a program, not uninstall and update! glad you happily removed it, did it roll back to whatever you had previously, e.g. ie8, ie7
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DaveAuld wrote:
i looked under uninstall a program, not uninstall and update!
I looked there first too. But then I Googled "uninstall IE9 and found the answer on MS's own web site! Guess they figured not everyone would want to keep it.
DaveAuld wrote:
did it roll back to whatever you had previously, e.g. ie8, ie7
It sure did. I had to re-delete the default links on my favorites bar, and rearrange my menu, command and favorites bars again, but other than that I'm back to IE8 with no problems. I sure hope they address the appearance issues I mentioned in the next update to IE9 and allow me to move the tabs row. If so I'll use it.
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Excuse me for making a personal opinion. Let me just say that i personally feel that the default look and feel of the IE9 toolbars, address bars and buttons is less aesthetically pleasing than IE8 (which was fine by the way). I found that when scrolling a number of sites on my 2560x1600 monitor the pages seemed more juttery than they did in Chrome at the same resolution. As for the install process, what was the point of restarting some of the processes that it had stopped to do the install only then to tell me if I want to use IE9 I must then restart the computer, and shut all the processes down again, thats just bad planning. Oh, and by the way, those who use text speak while trying to make an opinion are the pathetic ones, how professionally and intelligent does that make your opinion. U is you, and Pls is please, get a grip. And finally, IE9 probably is a great browser compared to the previous versions, but again its is my opinion, which I am entitled to have, if you disagree fine, but no need to resort to insults. Have a nice day :)
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First of all, you are right, I don't know if you are pathetic/don't care(don't feal insulted, it was not my intention to make you sad). Nevertheless your original post surely is... Mainly due to the fact that you are clearly not interested in the product(IE9) and it is your intention to make it look bad by expressing a lame inconvenience, which... if you stop and think about, it's logical. IE9 is integrated with windows 7 therefore certain features will only be available after a restart. I really belive the main reason for the recommended restart is the fact that IE9 runs better on some PC configurations with the GPU acceleration feature turned off. This means that an assesment of the system is required and a restart is needed(it would be lame for IE9 to try and asses the PC every time one tries to access the web, not to mention time consuming). Another reason might be the integration with the taskbar. Second, expect people to answer more agresively when you don't really have a reason to complain.(this insults me, not F words or crap like that) Third(the main reason for my reply) don't tell me that I'm pathetic for using U instead of you and then writing IE9, or posting emoticons to express your opinon, it's just wrong... Finally, I would like to address "OriginalGriff". You are partially right, reviews don't lie, but they favour certain subjects. Good day
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First of all, you are right, I don't know if you are pathetic/don't care(don't feal insulted, it was not my intention to make you sad). Nevertheless your original post surely is... Mainly due to the fact that you are clearly not interested in the product(IE9) and it is your intention to make it look bad by expressing a lame inconvenience, which... if you stop and think about, it's logical. IE9 is integrated with windows 7 therefore certain features will only be available after a restart. I really belive the main reason for the recommended restart is the fact that IE9 runs better on some PC configurations with the GPU acceleration feature turned off. This means that an assesment of the system is required and a restart is needed(it would be lame for IE9 to try and asses the PC every time one tries to access the web, not to mention time consuming). Another reason might be the integration with the taskbar. Second, expect people to answer more agresively when you don't really have a reason to complain.(this insults me, not F words or crap like that) Third(the main reason for my reply) don't tell me that I'm pathetic for using U instead of you and then writing IE9, or posting emoticons to express your opinon, it's just wrong... Finally, I would like to address "OriginalGriff". You are partially right, reviews don't lie, but they favour certain subjects. Good day
Ok, lets not get into a see who can piss up the wall the highest competition, that is not what code project is all about. Lets just say, respect everyones one opinions of any product and express your own opinions in a constructive but non-disrespectful way. now, lets just get down to the business in hand........enjoying life! take care.
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ardagii wrote:
U Chrome and FF fans, don't really like change, do u(or feel threatened by it)?
Surely your the one who doesn't like change. i.e. you just stick with the browser that you get given. And the only change for us Chrome users to IE9 is that IE9 still sucks no matter how much it wants to be Chrome - IE9 is a poor attempt to look and feel like Chrome
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Not really. I wasn't always a IE fan. Back in the days when IE6 was the only option MS had to offer, I started looking for better browsers like FF. It was fine, however I didn't like the way it displayed certain web pages I was oftenly used. Then IE7 came along with the new accelerator and web slice features, the favourites bar which was more practical then what FF had to offer. What can I say, love at 1st site. Not long after IE7, safary came along. Very nice, it was faster than FF but it was difficult to add the 2nd tab, plus i had the same problem when displaying webpages. Whan Google announced Chrome, I was very excited. When the release date came, I was one of those guys that was pressing F5 every 2min to see if the download became available. My 1st impression was "cute" very fast, very lighweight. Then I went to options and saw the mozila behind it. It was definetly better, but still some pages(less than FF and safari) failed to appear properly. IE8 was nice, more secure than IE7 but not many noticeable improvements. Finally IE9 is just what I was waiting for. It suits my needs, it's fast as the others(though I never minded waiting 1 more second for the web page to display) and it has some new features that I can't wait to use. P.S. let's not forget, FF is corporate ready for at least 1 year now and the percentage of FF users is the same
