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kjessee wrote: but MS Office ... still has the biggest market share. because it's bundled on every fucking PC that's sold! if people really had to pay the full retail price for that bloated P.O.S., they'd be using something else. Word = crap. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Gee Chris, what got into you? :rolleyes: I agree that Word = crap. I always liked Word Perfect.
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There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Gee Chris, what got into you? :rolleyes: I agree that Word = crap. I always liked Word Perfect.
Jason Henderson
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There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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kjessee wrote: but MS Office ... still has the biggest market share. because it's bundled on every fucking PC that's sold! if people really had to pay the full retail price for that bloated P.O.S., they'd be using something else. Word = crap. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: if people really had to pay the full retail price for that bloated P.O.S., they'd be using something else. Word = crap. Actually, most people who would have to pay for it are using pirated copies... :suss: But for me, it's OpenOffice. Does everything I need so far... :cool: I'd like to find a free or lower cost alternative to Access, though. Got a friend using a questionable copy of Access, but wants to go legit, but can't really afford the whole thing. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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A more interesting question is: What would happen if WallMart started selling a non-wintel PC with non-MS office package for under $200? How soon (and how) would MSFT retaliate? Would this signal the beginning of the end of MSFT dominance in the desktop?[^] -Politician (n): A person who has nothing to contribute, but a lot to say. Rob
first, MS would sue said non-Windows OS maker, because all two syllable words that rhyme with the common, standard English word "windows" infringe on it's its brilliantly named OS, "Windows". the next steps should be interesting. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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first, MS would sue said non-Windows OS maker, because all two syllable words that rhyme with the common, standard English word "windows" infringe on it's its brilliantly named OS, "Windows". the next steps should be interesting. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
And what if MS lost that suit? (The have so far, and in fact have made the Windows trademark subject to being declared an invalid trademark). R
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And what if MS lost that suit? (The have so far, and in fact have made the Windows trademark subject to being declared an invalid trademark). R
OldRob wrote: And what if MS lost that suit? then the fun has begun! -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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well in the late 1970's Microsoft licensed UNIX source code from AT&T which at the time was not licensing the name UNIX. Therefore Microsoft created the name Xenix. Microsoft did not sell Xenix to end-users but instead licensed the software to software OEMs, so perhaps it they have been there and done it?
MS had some problems with AT&T with licensing. That is why they decided to create NT from scratch than use Xenix core. Actually, Gates said in an interview that AT&T does not know how to manage their intellectual property and has caused Unix not achieve its potential in the mas market. I think he was referring to a proposal, where MS wanted to build Windows on top of Xenix core like Mac OS X has a BSD core now. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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OldRob wrote: And what if MS lost that suit? then the fun has begun! -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
they lost the suit already. Lindows is available in Walmart for 200 $ . http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2009643&cat=3951&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951[^] My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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they lost the suit already. Lindows is available in Walmart for 200 $ . http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2009643&cat=3951&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951[^] My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
actually, it's been available for a long time. MS just got pissed about it after they saw it might be a threat. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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What would happen if MS did the following. 1. Said "Lets do Linux" 2. Stop supporting all existing Windows software. 3. Created MS Linux 4. Created MS Office for Linux 5. Created Visual Studio for Linux If they did it better than everyone else and put Red Hat, Mandrake, etc out of business would it be unfair, Monoply? I agree that there business practices were/are questonable, but MS Office is the most expensive suite and still has the biggest market share.
kjessee wrote: What would happen if MS did the following. Linux would become Windows. Let's face it, Windows (2K & esp. XP) are the way they are because MS wants it that way. That's good, and that's bad. Now if MS committed to Open/Free software (and not in the "you pay us/you sign NDA/you read our source" sense), things could get very interesting in a hurry... :|
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A more interesting question is: What would happen if WallMart started selling a non-wintel PC with non-MS office package for under $200? How soon (and how) would MSFT retaliate? Would this signal the beginning of the end of MSFT dominance in the desktop?[^] -Politician (n): A person who has nothing to contribute, but a lot to say. Rob
If Microsoft felt truly threatened, they'd drop their prices, which they can very much afford to do. However, as Balmer correctly pointed out, that wouldn't translate into much savings for the individual customer. (The MS Office bundle costs OEMs $50, I believe Windows is $40, even if MS dropped both, or either, in half, do you really think OEMs would pass any of the savings onto customers? Especially if they're already losing money or barely making margin as it is?) Besides, if you look where the money is, it's in corporate sales, not home users.
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What would happen if MS did the following. 1. Said "Lets do Linux" 2. Stop supporting all existing Windows software. 3. Created MS Linux 4. Created MS Office for Linux 5. Created Visual Studio for Linux If they did it better than everyone else and put Red Hat, Mandrake, etc out of business would it be unfair, Monoply? I agree that there business practices were/are questonable, but MS Office is the most expensive suite and still has the biggest market share.
kjessee wrote: 5. Created Visual Studio for Linux If they did a proper VC6 (NOT dot-net) port over to Linux, I'd hit it. As for the others: 1: Everyone else is saying this. 2: Everyone else is supporting Linux (where you think RedHat/Mandrake/etc make their money from? the free ISO downloads?) 3: Lindows, Redmond Linux, add WINE or WINEX, good to go. 4: StarOffice, OpenOffice, all sorts of stuff. It's amazing that there is so much stuff out there for Linux when IMHO it lacks a proper C++ development IDE that doesn't look stipped-down to the point of being Metrowerks...
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Chris Losinger wrote: if people really had to pay the full retail price for that bloated P.O.S., they'd be using something else. Word = crap. Actually, most people who would have to pay for it are using pirated copies... :suss: But for me, it's OpenOffice. Does everything I need so far... :cool: I'd like to find a free or lower cost alternative to Access, though. Got a friend using a questionable copy of Access, but wants to go legit, but can't really afford the whole thing. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Actually the StarOffice variant of OpenOffice, sold by Sun for $75.00 or so, has an alternative to Access called AdabasD. I have not used it, but I have heard that it works well.
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If Microsoft felt truly threatened, they'd drop their prices, which they can very much afford to do. However, as Balmer correctly pointed out, that wouldn't translate into much savings for the individual customer. (The MS Office bundle costs OEMs $50, I believe Windows is $40, even if MS dropped both, or either, in half, do you really think OEMs would pass any of the savings onto customers? Especially if they're already losing money or barely making margin as it is?) Besides, if you look where the money is, it's in corporate sales, not home users.
Joe Woodbury wrote: do you really think OEMs would pass any of the savings onto WallMart has obviously chosen to do so by avoiding MS. If you add the OEM prices to their $198 offering, it translates into a nearly 30% price increase, and puts the thing over the commonly accepted "commodity" price mark of $200 or less. Joe Woodbury wrote: Besides, if you look where the money is, it's in corporate sales, not home users. That has been true in the past, but may be becoming less so as Corporate IT groups struggle with cost control, and if the Home PC really becomes a commodity like TVs, etc. that could markedly change the picture... a lot more units, a lot more total dollars at even very skinny margins. The TV manufacturers are in a lot less trouble than most of the "high tech" industries at the moment, even with very slim margins. R
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Chris Losinger wrote: if people really had to pay the full retail price for that bloated P.O.S., they'd be using something else. Word = crap. Actually, most people who would have to pay for it are using pirated copies... :suss: But for me, it's OpenOffice. Does everything I need so far... :cool: I'd like to find a free or lower cost alternative to Access, though. Got a friend using a questionable copy of Access, but wants to go legit, but can't really afford the whole thing. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
OpenOffice? Talk about a piece of swill! You honestly like that better than MS Office?!? William E. Kempf
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A more interesting question is: What would happen if WallMart started selling a non-wintel PC with non-MS office package for under $200? How soon (and how) would MSFT retaliate? Would this signal the beginning of the end of MSFT dominance in the desktop?[^] -Politician (n): A person who has nothing to contribute, but a lot to say. Rob
Nope... because as nice as Linux is for the Geek, Mom and Pop would run screaming from it. Linux drives me nuts on a daily basis, and I'm in that Geek category. And from what I see in the LUGs I belong to, that's pretty much a universal situation for most Linux Geek users. Oh, and BTW, I don't have much of an opinion for Lycoris either. They are heading in the right direction, but currently it's not a distro I'd choose to use (and I buy a registered version of this distro). William E. Kempf
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they lost the suit already. Lindows is available in Walmart for 200 $ . http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2009643&cat=3951&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951[^] My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
That link says Lycoris Desktop/LX (http://www.lycoris.com[^]), which is a different distro from Lindows (http://www.lindows.com[^]). William E. Kempf
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What would happen if MS did the following. 1. Said "Lets do Linux" 2. Stop supporting all existing Windows software. 3. Created MS Linux 4. Created MS Office for Linux 5. Created Visual Studio for Linux If they did it better than everyone else and put Red Hat, Mandrake, etc out of business would it be unfair, Monoply? I agree that there business practices were/are questonable, but MS Office is the most expensive suite and still has the biggest market share.
I've been watching, and Linuz is moving into goverment desktops around the world, so it is slowly spreading. And although its a very small example, even Walmart is selling a M$ free PC so I think the tide is shitfing, and in a constructive way. Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Joe Woodbury wrote: do you really think OEMs would pass any of the savings onto WallMart has obviously chosen to do so by avoiding MS. If you add the OEM prices to their $198 offering, it translates into a nearly 30% price increase, and puts the thing over the commonly accepted "commodity" price mark of $200 or less. Joe Woodbury wrote: Besides, if you look where the money is, it's in corporate sales, not home users. That has been true in the past, but may be becoming less so as Corporate IT groups struggle with cost control, and if the Home PC really becomes a commodity like TVs, etc. that could markedly change the picture... a lot more units, a lot more total dollars at even very skinny margins. The TV manufacturers are in a lot less trouble than most of the "high tech" industries at the moment, even with very slim margins. R
OldRob wrote: WallMart has obviously chosen to do so by avoiding MS. No matter how you add the numbers up, someone is losing money and it isn't WalMart. OldRob wrote: That has been true in the past, but may be becoming less so as Corporate IT groups struggle with cost control, and if the Home PC really becomes a commodity like TVs, etc. that could markedly change the picture... While PCs are largely a commodity, the Home PC market will not displace corporate sales for the forseeable future. The key difference between PCs and TVs is the relatively expensive after sales support required (in call support as well as warranty replacement. Heck, if my Dad plagued Gateway as much as he bugs his sons, he could drive the company bankrupt, single handed:)) What are the margins on TVs? I suspect they're higher, as a percentage of base cost, than PCs. (Save Macs, which enjoy huge margins, but dismal sales.) I wouldn't be suprised if WalMart quietly drops the low cost PC in the near future. (My local WalMarts don't even carry it.)
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