SQL or Sequal?
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Sequel... what? how do you call C#? "Ci-pound??" ...runs behind the chair and cover his ears, after knowing that he has just started a new flame war....
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Soulus83 wrote:
how do you call C#? "Ci-pound??"
I call it "see crunch", if it were "C!", I'd call it "see bang" before noon and "see shriek" after noon , "C@" would be "see snail" .... :laugh:
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Ok, S minus Q minus L, I still don't know the answer! :)
Xiangyang Liu 刘向阳 wrote:
Ok, S minus Q minus L, I still don't know the answer! :)
maybe J- or -J :^)
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From an old programmers perspective using Sequal instead of SQL is confusing. Sequal arguably, was the first query language brought out by IBM in 70/80's if memory serves (which it usually doesn't). There is also another language about that time called Quel or Qual. So it can get a little confusing for us old timers. :laugh:
paul_brogan wrote:
Sequal arguably, was the first query language brought out by IBM in 70/80's if memory serves
Almost, but not quite, it seems that SEQUEL and SQL were not always one and the same. "At the time IBM didn't believe in the potential of Codd's ideas, leaving the implementation to a group of programmers not under Codd's supervision, who violated several fundamentals of Codd's relational model; the result was Structured English QUEry Language or SEQUEL. When IBM released its first relational database product, they wanted to have a commercial-quality sublanguage as well, so it overhauled SEQUEL and renamed the basically new language (System Query Language) SQL to differentiate it from SEQUEL." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_DB2 So, does "Sequal" refer to System Query Language, or to Structured English QUEry Language Perhaps it should be pronounced "Codds Wallop" :D I worked on a system 38 for a while, then the client downgraded to a System/3 or was it an AS/400, no matter I deserted ship to return to the warm arms of Digital.
modified on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:41 AM
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If you are referring to the language the official pronunciation is Sequel[^] if you are referring to the Microsoft Product the pronunciation is S.Q.L. Server to aid in the disambiguation. Whereas a Sequel Server would be any ANSI-SQL database. While I do not have an official reference, reading the Wiki on SQL suggests that SEQUEL is a trademarked name. Thus M.S. would not be able to use Sequel in advertising. Industry best-practice, however, is to fully qualify the product since there is so much confusion with regards to the myriad numbers of SQL based products. Remember, Microsoft isn't the big player in this field (17% market-share vs. Oracle 49%)
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You refer to the wikipedia page on SQL[^] and claim that the official pronunciation is Sequel. However I read on the wikipedia page the following: SQL (officially pronounced /ˌɛskjuːˈɛl/ like "S-Q-L" but often pronounced /ˈsiːkwəl/ like "sequel") The revision history shows why. :-D In the last 2 days anonymous editors tried to get "sequel" to be the official pronunciation but the wikipedia moderators overruled them :)
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wanna go for SQL
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
Sequal .. but ultimately .. if I said either to a colleague, they'd know what I mean :) So does it matter :)
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
twohowlingdogs wrote:
So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L.
I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
In a previous life, I had a similar issue with the mainframe transaction monitor, CICS - On the west side of The Pond, you'd say C I C S. whilst over here we'd call it "Kicks"; I note the opposite seems to be true for SQL - West, "Sequel", East, "S Q L". Personally Sequel brings to mind very bad follow-up films - eg. Police Academy N ....
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
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If you are referring to the language the official pronunciation is Sequel[^] if you are referring to the Microsoft Product the pronunciation is S.Q.L. Server to aid in the disambiguation. Whereas a Sequel Server would be any ANSI-SQL database. While I do not have an official reference, reading the Wiki on SQL suggests that SEQUEL is a trademarked name. Thus M.S. would not be able to use Sequel in advertising. Industry best-practice, however, is to fully qualify the product since there is so much confusion with regards to the myriad numbers of SQL based products. Remember, Microsoft isn't the big player in this field (17% market-share vs. Oracle 49%)
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
If you are referring to the language the official pronunciation is Sequel[^]
Err! Wikipedia (article as linked above) actually says: SQL (officially pronounced /ˌɛskjuːˈɛl/ like "S-Q-L" but often pronounced /ˈsiːkwəl/ like "sequel"). This concurs with my undersatanding. We always called it ess-kew-ell in the olden days. There were many SQL servers for mainframes and minis; then a late-starter called MicroSoft entered the picture and wanted a different name for people who had grown up with PCs and not with real computers, so they decided that their SQL server would be pronounced Sequel (or Sequal) Server just as a differentator. I like the distinction in names because: * You can tell a person's provenance in the relational database world by what they call their DB engine - have they had a good grounding in the theory or do they just know one vendor's odd name for a proprietary implementation? * There is an unitentional truism in calling it 'Sequel' as the word means 'what follows; or continues thes story of an earlier one', which fits well with the idea that it is just a 'me too' product.
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
I've always considered "Sequal" the pronunciation of IBM's SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language) product and "es queue el" the correct pronunciation for the ANSI standard specification for SQL. Hence, I almost always say "es queue el" or "es queue el Server" or "My es queue el". I know I am in the minority with this, I'm sure when IBM changed their product name from SEQUEL to SQL the pronunciation stuck amongst IBMers. I don't have a ref handy, but I do remember that in their original SQL standard, ANSI declared that the official pronunciation is "es queue el" and referred to "sequel" as slang. The closest ref I have is this article which remembers the same. http://databases.about.com/od/sql/a/sqlfundamentals.htm have a good one.
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
Depends on what camp you are in. If you are working with Microsoft tech, their documentation actually identifies the pronounciation as Sequal. If you are working in Oracle/MySQL they specify in their documentation that you pronounce each letter as S Q L. In the big picture, as long as Select * from table works.......
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
Save oxygen, say sequel!
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
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Everyone around here says Sequal.
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
SQL i think it's kind of wierd to say sequal. but some professor in my college say sequal :|
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
What I was told is that it was originally 'Sequel', for 'Structured English Query Language'. Then they dropped the 'English' part, and it became S-Q-L. Another (unconfirmed by me...anyone?) reason for the change was that I heard that the 'Sequel' infringed on a trademarked name somewhere in Europe (UK, I think?), and so they originally changed it to S-Q-L in Europe, which then spread to prominent use. The first part I am pretty sure is true. The second part, as I said, I have not personally confirmed that info, it's what I heard.
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sequel here... and nothing bothers me more than when somebody refers to TCL as "tickle" :omg:
Funny you should bring TCL up. My first job out of college was converting Perl, K-shell and C-shell scripts to TCL/TK. My boss called it "Tickle/TK". :~ I called it that too since it was the first time I'd ever heard of it! :~ I didn't think others would understand so I reverted to calling it TCL/TK.
I have nothing more to say.
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sequel here... and nothing bothers me more than when somebody refers to TCL as "tickle" :omg:
That really bothers me even in print. :shudder:
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So I post this question to you all since I grew up being told it is S-Q-L Server and the professors getting upset at hearing Sequal Server or just plain Sequal. Then I get this job here and the younger web developer says it is Sequal, not S-Q-L. I stand by my teaching and still say S-Q-L. You?
