Is "binary" a language?
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
Is it machine language?
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
Emrak123 wrote:
Is binary a language?
You can start the logical reasoning with a very simple question. Define first what is a language. Then check if binary meets the definition of language. While this is the rudimentary answer, some times there are gray areas. What if it meets many of the definitions, but lacks some? We all know that All programming languages' output are eventually converted to binary. So, some arbitrary valid program may have its binary representation as [ONLY for Presentation, not valid code]
10011101000101011110111110101010101010101010101010100 00101010010101010101010101010101010100101010101010101 01010010101000101010111101010001010100010100010100010 10010100010101010001010001010001010001011111110100111Now, for all practical purpose anyone could hand pick those exact binaries and construct it exactly and feed it to the computer and the result will be exactly the same [There are many details omitted from this process], So would that make binary a language? Absolutely not.Yusuf May I help you?
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Not sure who's the biggest nerd - you for writing that or me for working it out.
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010000100110010100100000011100110111010101110010011001 010010000001110100011011110010000001100100011100100110 100101101110011010110010000001111001011011110111010101 110010001000000100111101110110011000010110110001110100 01101001011011100110010100101110
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The binary I posted is actually one of the responses of "Group 2" above. The point being, if the block of binary "says" anything, then by default "Group 1" must admit that it's a programming language. If it does not "say" anything and is just random gibberish, then it's not a language.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
No.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
Morse code is an easy example that shows it is NOT a language. You can use morse code (which one should note is binary) to create a larger set of symbols (alpha-numeric). The symbols are used by numerous languages but they themselves are not a "Language".
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Morse code is an easy example that shows it is NOT a language. You can use morse code (which one should note is binary) to create a larger set of symbols (alpha-numeric). The symbols are used by numerous languages but they themselves are not a "Language".
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
Well if a language is simply a method by which information is transfered from one entity to another, then yes. This sounds like the kind of discussion where you should just say "yes" and move along. But I don't speak the binary language of your vaporators.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
"Binary" is the only true language as part of the universal multi-lingual "N-ary"! See here for more (the report will be soon updated with the universal equations of all Turing Machines. Notification will follow) http://cag.dat.demokritos.gr/publications/PolyRoots.pdf[^]
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
Code (not language) used in digital computers, based on a binary number system in which there are only two possible states, off and on, usually symbolized by 0 and 1.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
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No, at least not in the commonly held notion of what a language is. It could be construed to be an alphabet, of sorts, by which you can build meaning by combining the characters to produce 'words' that convey a meaning that is more than the sum of the parts. Another test might be that language is a spoken medium and it would be pretty difficult to speak binary in that you could voice a string of zeroes and ones with appropriate breaks or stresses whereas with a 'normal' language the characters combine to create meaning that can be articulated vocally in a meaningful way with more natural or learnt breaks and stresses. I suppose if you could find someone else that spoke binary you would have a language but it would, to our ears, sound very odd and take a long time to say almost nothing. :-)
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never seen the startrek people called "binars" ( ;) ) they spoke binary and interface directly with computers ( :laugh: ) I would say though that 01 is their alphabet.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
The answer, as others pointed out, is no - it is an alphabet, not a language. A language, by it's exact definition, is a pair(Alphabet, Grammar). You can't have a language without Grammar, and you must define the grammar on the basis of an alphabet.
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"Binary" is the only true language as part of the universal multi-lingual "N-ary"! See here for more (the report will be soon updated with the universal equations of all Turing Machines. Notification will follow) http://cag.dat.demokritos.gr/publications/PolyRoots.pdf[^]
New updated version of my Report with the Universal Turing Dynamical System Equations: http://cag.dat.demokritos.gr/publications/TR2011-1.pdf[^]
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Definitely a language. Definitely not a programming language.
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Henry Minute wrote:
Definitely a language
Well, I came down in the other camp, not a language. But if you're sure. ;-) Which definition of language are you rolling with there? Personally, I'd say any language needed more than just symbols to constitute meaning. The fact that binary can be used to convey meaning is not sufficient - just as an alphabet is not a language - the langage needs constructional forms that define valid sentences and structure. Even comparing it to an alphabet is dubious - I'd go along with the definition of "a base 2 number system" as being the best I've seen here.
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Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!
It is a language. Not a natural language, not a programming language, but a language nonetheless. You can translate English into binary, and vice versa - in theory, you could even communicate with other humans in binary. Like most languages, it's merely an encoding of abstract concepts (like the theoretical "1+1")
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