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    Sam Hobbs
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    Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

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      Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

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      Ian Shlasko
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      Sam Hobbs wrote:

      They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

      Really? You mean I'll have to actually start using Ctrl+C? That's rather inconvenient, considering I use the mouse with my left hand, so it's a lot easier to do Ctrl+Ins than to move my hand all the way across to the left side of the keyboard for Ctrl+C... Oh wait, I don't use IE9 :)

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        Sam Hobbs wrote:

        They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

        Really? You mean I'll have to actually start using Ctrl+C? That's rather inconvenient, considering I use the mouse with my left hand, so it's a lot easier to do Ctrl+Ins than to move my hand all the way across to the left side of the keyboard for Ctrl+C... Oh wait, I don't use IE9 :)

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        Sam Hobbs
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        You got it. But wait, there is more. If you use Ctrl-Ins twice then you can lose everything. For this web site, when I am creating/editing a post and I use Ctrl-Ins twice, I get the box warning me that I am closing the window. In another web site, when I am editing and use Ctrl-Ins twice, it instantly refreshes the window and everything I typed is gone forever.

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          You got it. But wait, there is more. If you use Ctrl-Ins twice then you can lose everything. For this web site, when I am creating/editing a post and I use Ctrl-Ins twice, I get the box warning me that I am closing the window. In another web site, when I am editing and use Ctrl-Ins twice, it instantly refreshes the window and everything I typed is gone forever.

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          Ian Shlasko
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          Wow... Yet another reason to stick to Chrome/FF

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            Wow... Yet another reason to stick to Chrome/FF

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            musefan
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              Ian Shlasko
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              Heh... Nah, FireFox is good too :)

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                Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

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                Slacker007
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                Sam Hobbs wrote:

                Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9

                Although I would find this quite irritating, I don't think it qualifies them as arrogant.

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                  Wow... Yet another reason to stick to Chrome/FF

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                  Jason Hooper
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                  Chrome had its big internal flame war over forcing the http:// out of the address, not even giving the users an option to toggle it on/off. So it's not just Microsoft/IE. I happen to love Chrome and use it as my primary browser everywhere, and although I was skeptical about the removal of http:// from the URL bar, now it looks completely natural and I wouldn't want it back.

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                    Chrome had its big internal flame war over forcing the http:// out of the address, not even giving the users an option to toggle it on/off. So it's not just Microsoft/IE. I happen to love Chrome and use it as my primary browser everywhere, and although I was skeptical about the removal of http:// from the URL bar, now it looks completely natural and I wouldn't want it back.

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                    Slacker007
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                    if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)

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                      if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)

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                      Ian Shlasko
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                      You can type in http or https... But after you hit enter, it removes the http://... It keeps it for https://, though, to better distinguish them (Also adds a padlock next to it, like the other browsers do).

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                        if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)

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                        Or ftp:// or telnet:// or gopher:// or. . . Well, ok, I don't think anyone has used gopher this century, but that's not the point.

                        There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                          Sam Hobbs wrote:

                          Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9

                          Although I would find this quite irritating, I don't think it qualifies them as arrogant.

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                          I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?

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                            I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?

                            There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                            GenJerDan wrote:

                            forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts

                            No comments from this wiseguy. I use C,X, and V all the time still.

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                              I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?

                              There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                              Ian Shlasko
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                              I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).

                              That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards... For instance, this[^] one, with the extra keys where the right control key is supposed to be... GRRRR... I swapped mine out for an old generic Dell one, because I couldn't stand that layout. And the extra keys below Delete and PgDn make it hard to navigate the arrows by touch, since my right hand just feels for the shape of the four arrows, and the BB keyboard makes it all one big block...

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                                if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)

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                                Jason Hooper
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                                Yep the https:// still shows, in green.

                                Jason

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                                  Good point - I prefer Sci-iantasy novels too.

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                                    GenJerDan wrote:

                                    I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).

                                    That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards... For instance, this[^] one, with the extra keys where the right control key is supposed to be... GRRRR... I swapped mine out for an old generic Dell one, because I couldn't stand that layout. And the extra keys below Delete and PgDn make it hard to navigate the arrows by touch, since my right hand just feels for the shape of the four arrows, and the BB keyboard makes it all one big block...

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                                    Dan Neely
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                                    Ian Shlasko wrote:

                                    That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards...

                                    apparently having an issue with retarded layouts has become very rare. The last two times I needed a replacement keyboard at work, after explaining what I wanted (eg standard 104 key layout that is the decades old 101 with the windows keys added), I was told to come down and pick out one myself. :doh:

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                                      Sam Hobbs wrote:

                                      They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

                                      Really? You mean I'll have to actually start using Ctrl+C? That's rather inconvenient, considering I use the mouse with my left hand, so it's a lot easier to do Ctrl+Ins than to move my hand all the way across to the left side of the keyboard for Ctrl+C... Oh wait, I don't use IE9 :)

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                                      peterchen
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                                      For me (as a left-handed person) Shift-Del, Shift-Ins, and Ctrl-Ins are much more comfortable.

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                                        Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

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                                        tec goblin
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                                        Ctrl+Ins is useful only for left-handed people with the Insert in a reasonable place on their laptops (I personally HATE the insert button, it tends to activate when I don't want it, so I want it somewhere very very far away). Regarding the Title bar, seriously, aren't there any more important problems out there?

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                                          I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?

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                                          Fabio Franco
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                                          GenJerDan wrote:

                                          I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).

                                          That's why the first thing I check before buying a laptop is the keyboard layout, before that not even the specs. Dedicated num pad is the number one requirement.

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