Microsoft's arrogance with IE9
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Wow... Yet another reason to stick to Chrome/FF
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Chrome had its big internal flame war over forcing the http:// out of the address, not even giving the users an option to toggle it on/off. So it's not just Microsoft/IE. I happen to love Chrome and use it as my primary browser everywhere, and although I was skeptical about the removal of http:// from the URL bar, now it looks completely natural and I wouldn't want it back.
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Chrome had its big internal flame war over forcing the http:// out of the address, not even giving the users an option to toggle it on/off. So it's not just Microsoft/IE. I happen to love Chrome and use it as my primary browser everywhere, and although I was skeptical about the removal of http:// from the URL bar, now it looks completely natural and I wouldn't want it back.
if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)
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if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)
You can type in http or https... But after you hit enter, it removes the http://... It keeps it for https://, though, to better distinguish them (Also adds a padlock next to it, like the other browsers do).
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if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)
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Sam Hobbs wrote:
Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9
Although I would find this quite irritating, I don't think it qualifies them as arrogant.
I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?
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I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?
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GenJerDan wrote:
forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts
No comments from this wiseguy. I use C,X, and V all the time still.
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I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
GenJerDan wrote:
I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).
That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards... For instance, this[^] one, with the extra keys where the right control key is supposed to be... GRRRR... I swapped mine out for an old generic Dell one, because I couldn't stand that layout. And the extra keys below Delete and PgDn make it hard to navigate the arrows by touch, since my right hand just feels for the shape of the four arrows, and the BB keyboard makes it all one big block...
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if they removed the http:// bit then what do you do if you want https://? Do you just type it in the address bar? I haven't used Chrome yet so I don't know. :)
Yep the https:// still shows, in green.
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GenJerDan wrote:
I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).
That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards... For instance, this[^] one, with the extra keys where the right control key is supposed to be... GRRRR... I swapped mine out for an old generic Dell one, because I couldn't stand that layout. And the extra keys below Delete and PgDn make it hard to navigate the arrows by touch, since my right hand just feels for the shape of the four arrows, and the BB keyboard makes it all one big block...
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards...
apparently having an issue with retarded layouts has become very rare. The last two times I needed a replacement keyboard at work, after explaining what I wanted (eg standard 104 key layout that is the decades old 101 with the windows keys added), I was told to come down and pick out one myself. :doh:
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Sam Hobbs wrote:
They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.
Really? You mean I'll have to actually start using Ctrl+C? That's rather inconvenient, considering I use the mouse with my left hand, so it's a lot easier to do Ctrl+Ins than to move my hand all the way across to the left side of the keyboard for Ctrl+C... Oh wait, I don't use IE9 :)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)For me (as a left-handed person) Shift-Del, Shift-Ins, and Ctrl-Ins are much more comfortable.
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Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.
Ctrl+Ins is useful only for left-handed people with the Insert in a reasonable place on their laptops (I personally HATE the insert button, it tends to activate when I don't want it, so I want it somewhere very very far away). Regarding the Title bar, seriously, aren't there any more important problems out there?
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I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops). The C, X, and V are always in the same place on my keyboards*. *forestalling comments from you wiseguys with other layouts... But those keys are consistently in the same locations, too. N'est-ce pas?
There is water at the bottom of the ocean. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
GenJerDan wrote:
I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).
That's why the first thing I check before buying a laptop is the keyboard layout, before that not even the specs. Dedicated num pad is the number one requirement.
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You got it. But wait, there is more. If you use Ctrl-Ins twice then you can lose everything. For this web site, when I am creating/editing a post and I use Ctrl-Ins twice, I get the box warning me that I am closing the window. In another web site, when I am editing and use Ctrl-Ins twice, it instantly refreshes the window and everything I typed is gone forever.
You're right that CTRL-Ins doesn't work in IE9, but I have tried to no avail to duplicate the behavior you mentioned about pressing CTRL-Ins more than once. It just does nothing at all for me no matter what I do. It does not erase any data I've typed, nor does it try to close the window. In most other programs CTRL-Ins also does nothing or it just beeps (Chrome and Outlook), so this is not an IE9 issue. I tried this on several websites using combinations of left or right CTRL key and the 0/Ins or the dedicated Ins button that are on my keyboard. No matter what I get either no behavior at all or just a beep. I am using Windows 7, so I imagine it's more of an OS issue than a browser issue. Aside from Word, which gives me the option of using the Ins key for overtype mode, I don't believe I have any program that even makes use of the Ins key at all. I agree about the title, only because Microsoft didn't eliminate the space otherwise occupied. Had they done that it would have saved some more real estate on screen. As it is, they've done nothing, though the title IS displayed when you hover over the task bar to see the auto preview.
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Ctrl+Ins is useful only for left-handed people with the Insert in a reasonable place on their laptops (I personally HATE the insert button, it tends to activate when I don't want it, so I want it somewhere very very far away). Regarding the Title bar, seriously, aren't there any more important problems out there?
"A More Beautiful Web..." - Yup that's arrogant ! :-D
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You're right that CTRL-Ins doesn't work in IE9, but I have tried to no avail to duplicate the behavior you mentioned about pressing CTRL-Ins more than once. It just does nothing at all for me no matter what I do. It does not erase any data I've typed, nor does it try to close the window. In most other programs CTRL-Ins also does nothing or it just beeps (Chrome and Outlook), so this is not an IE9 issue. I tried this on several websites using combinations of left or right CTRL key and the 0/Ins or the dedicated Ins button that are on my keyboard. No matter what I get either no behavior at all or just a beep. I am using Windows 7, so I imagine it's more of an OS issue than a browser issue. Aside from Word, which gives me the option of using the Ins key for overtype mode, I don't believe I have any program that even makes use of the Ins key at all. I agree about the title, only because Microsoft didn't eliminate the space otherwise occupied. Had they done that it would have saved some more real estate on screen. As it is, they've done nothing, though the title IS displayed when you hover over the task bar to see the auto preview.
You are correct that it does nothing here. I don't know why I got the behavior I described happening for this web site. It did happen so either I used a different key combination than I thought I did or there was a quick modification of this web site's software. Oh wow! Ctrl-Ins in this editor copies to the clipboard. I am using IE9 and for this editor Ctrl-Ins works as it did previously in IE. No where else does Ctrl-Ins do that when using IE9. So that is a strong indication that a modification to the software has occured. Ctrl-Ins does not do nothing in Google Chrome. I tested both it and Seamonkey; for both of those, Ctrl-Ins copies to the clipboard. You won't see it doing anything until you paste from the clipboard. I have been using Ctrl-Ins since before Windows 95; it has always copied to the clipboard in all software except very primitive ones.
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Ctrl+Ins is useful only for left-handed people with the Insert in a reasonable place on their laptops (I personally HATE the insert button, it tends to activate when I don't want it, so I want it somewhere very very far away). Regarding the Title bar, seriously, aren't there any more important problems out there?
There must be something wrong with the IE9 RTW then... 1) Ctrl+Ins works fine (copies to the clipboard and doesn't close any windows) 2) I don't lose the http://, https://, ftp://, etc. in my address bar I can't really complain about IE9, even though I really wanted to, lol.
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Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.
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GenJerDan wrote:
I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).
That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards... For instance, this[^] one, with the extra keys where the right control key is supposed to be... GRRRR... I swapped mine out for an old generic Dell one, because I couldn't stand that layout. And the extra keys below Delete and PgDn make it hard to navigate the arrows by touch, since my right hand just feels for the shape of the four arrows, and the BB keyboard makes it all one big block...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)i use shift+insert all the time because im a linux user so im used to pressing shift+insert to paste into a console. as for microsoft's arrogance, they keep claiming they are the most HTML5 compliant web browser, but only get a 135 on html5test.com, mobile browsers score higher. all other current browsers score higher. hell most of the last generation browsers scrore higher. MS, just open source your browser already, seriously we can fix it...we have the technology. better than it is, faster, stronger, more reliable.
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You are correct that it does nothing here. I don't know why I got the behavior I described happening for this web site. It did happen so either I used a different key combination than I thought I did or there was a quick modification of this web site's software. Oh wow! Ctrl-Ins in this editor copies to the clipboard. I am using IE9 and for this editor Ctrl-Ins works as it did previously in IE. No where else does Ctrl-Ins do that when using IE9. So that is a strong indication that a modification to the software has occured. Ctrl-Ins does not do nothing in Google Chrome. I tested both it and Seamonkey; for both of those, Ctrl-Ins copies to the clipboard. You won't see it doing anything until you paste from the clipboard. I have been using Ctrl-Ins since before Windows 95; it has always copied to the clipboard in all software except very primitive ones.
Sorry, and you're correct. Earlier I was just trying to duplicate your behavior of losing info or closing a window, which I couldn't. I don't normally use CTRL-Ins so I didn't take it that extra step. But on taking it that extra step, yes, the CTRL-Ins does copy to the clipboard in Chrome. It also copies to the clipboard for me in IE9 here and on Facebook and on Google's language tools so I don't believe anything was changed on this forum's software. I am using the 32-bit IE9 RTM version on Win 7 64-bit. Don't know if any of that matters, but just in case there is something different between versions or OS's.
