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  • T tec goblin

    Ctrl+Ins is useful only for left-handed people with the Insert in a reasonable place on their laptops (I personally HATE the insert button, it tends to activate when I don't want it, so I want it somewhere very very far away). Regarding the Title bar, seriously, aren't there any more important problems out there?

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    Anubisasc
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    There must be something wrong with the IE9 RTW then... 1) Ctrl+Ins works fine (copies to the clipboard and doesn't close any windows) 2) I don't lose the http://, https://, ftp://, etc. in my address bar I can't really complain about IE9, even though I really wanted to, lol.

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    • S Sam Hobbs

      Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

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      dbJeebus
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      Maybe I'm doing something wrong but my copy of IE9 puts the title in the title bar and supports CTRL-INS. I'm using Windows 7 with IE9.:confused: Will

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        GenJerDan wrote:

        I haven't used ctrl-ins since keyboard manufacturers started moving those keys around (even worse on laptops).

        That's the primary reason I hate laptop and "alternative" keyboards... For instance, this[^] one, with the extra keys where the right control key is supposed to be... GRRRR... I swapped mine out for an old generic Dell one, because I couldn't stand that layout. And the extra keys below Delete and PgDn make it hard to navigate the arrows by touch, since my right hand just feels for the shape of the four arrows, and the BB keyboard makes it all one big block...

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
        Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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        tuseroni
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        i use shift+insert all the time because im a linux user so im used to pressing shift+insert to paste into a console. as for microsoft's arrogance, they keep claiming they are the most HTML5 compliant web browser, but only get a 135 on html5test.com, mobile browsers score higher. all other current browsers score higher. hell most of the last generation browsers scrore higher. MS, just open source your browser already, seriously we can fix it...we have the technology. better than it is, faster, stronger, more reliable.

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        • S Sam Hobbs

          You are correct that it does nothing here. I don't know why I got the behavior I described happening for this web site. It did happen so either I used a different key combination than I thought I did or there was a quick modification of this web site's software. Oh wow! Ctrl-Ins in this editor copies to the clipboard. I am using IE9 and for this editor Ctrl-Ins works as it did previously in IE. No where else does Ctrl-Ins do that when using IE9. So that is a strong indication that a modification to the software has occured. Ctrl-Ins does not do nothing in Google Chrome. I tested both it and Seamonkey; for both of those, Ctrl-Ins copies to the clipboard. You won't see it doing anything until you paste from the clipboard. I have been using Ctrl-Ins since before Windows 95; it has always copied to the clipboard in all software except very primitive ones.

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          Doug Perreault
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          Sorry, and you're correct. Earlier I was just trying to duplicate your behavior of losing info or closing a window, which I couldn't. I don't normally use CTRL-Ins so I didn't take it that extra step. But on taking it that extra step, yes, the CTRL-Ins does copy to the clipboard in Chrome. It also copies to the clipboard for me in IE9 here and on Facebook and on Google's language tools so I don't believe anything was changed on this forum's software. I am using the 32-bit IE9 RTM version on Win 7 64-bit. Don't know if any of that matters, but just in case there is something different between versions or OS's.

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          • J Jason Hooper

            Yep the https:// still shows, in green.

            Jason

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            ness2u2
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            But now my non-technical friends (and parents for that matter) don't give me urls starting with... "h.. t.. t.. p.. colon backslash, or wait? maybe its a foward slash.. w.. w.. w.. " etc.

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            • S Sam Hobbs

              Microsoft has become quite arrogant with IE9. They refuse to put the title in the title bar, even when tabs are turned off. They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard.

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              Craig_B
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              :-D Solution Found: Don't use it if you don't like it. I use FF and Chrome on Linux.

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              • D Doug Perreault

                Sorry, and you're correct. Earlier I was just trying to duplicate your behavior of losing info or closing a window, which I couldn't. I don't normally use CTRL-Ins so I didn't take it that extra step. But on taking it that extra step, yes, the CTRL-Ins does copy to the clipboard in Chrome. It also copies to the clipboard for me in IE9 here and on Facebook and on Google's language tools so I don't believe anything was changed on this forum's software. I am using the 32-bit IE9 RTM version on Win 7 64-bit. Don't know if any of that matters, but just in case there is something different between versions or OS's.

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                Sam Hobbs
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                I apologize to everyone. My mistake. Evidently the culprit is a toolbar I installed. The toolbar fixes the probelm with the title bar so that the title is put in it. When I disable the toolbar, Ctrl-Ins works as before. When I enable it, I Ctrl-Ins works in the manner I described in my original post. Thank you for correcting me.

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                • D dbJeebus

                  Maybe I'm doing something wrong but my copy of IE9 puts the title in the title bar and supports CTRL-INS. I'm using Windows 7 with IE9.:confused: Will

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                  Sam Hobbs
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                  That is strange because Microsoft admits doing it; see Non-standard use of the title tag[^].

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                    You got it. But wait, there is more. If you use Ctrl-Ins twice then you can lose everything. For this web site, when I am creating/editing a post and I use Ctrl-Ins twice, I get the box warning me that I am closing the window. In another web site, when I am editing and use Ctrl-Ins twice, it instantly refreshes the window and everything I typed is gone forever.

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                    Mark AJA
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                    "They have finally dropped support of Ctrl-Ins for copying to the clipboard."? Ctrl+Insert works with my copy of Windows7 and IE9. You can also use Ctrl+C, don't know why there are two ways to do the same job. Guess it's because some users are used to copying with Ctrl+C like me and others are use to Ctrl+Insert. Are you using a different version of IE9. If you press Ctrl+C or Ctrl+Insert twice you just copy the same text to the clipboard again. So pressing it the second time will still produce the same clipboard data. Is the web site reading the text in a forms input box and reading which keys you are pressing and then replacing it. You need to try the form without JavaScript turned on, as I would guess that there is a script error on the page. What is the page URL?

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                    • S Sam Hobbs

                      That is strange because Microsoft admits doing it; see Non-standard use of the title tag[^].

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                      dbJeebus
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                      I couldn't open that link, page not available or some such. Do you suppose it has something to do with a setting that's 'grandfathered' in from IE8?

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                      • S Sam Hobbs

                        That is strange because Microsoft admits doing it; see Non-standard use of the title tag[^].

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                        dbJeebus
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                        Well Duh! When using my Win 7 box from a terminal session (from an XP box) I get the title in the title bar. When logged on directly it is missing. Sorry for any confusion! Will

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                        • D dbJeebus

                          I couldn't open that link, page not available or some such. Do you suppose it has something to do with a setting that's 'grandfathered' in from IE8?

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                          Sam Hobbs
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                          You need to have access to Microsoft Connect. I was not sure what would happen if someone tried browse the page without access but probably it is an access issue. That site is for reporting bugs in, and other feedback about, Microsoft software. I think it is worth getting access. I don't remember how to register for access and it has been long enough since I did that it is probably easier now.

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                          • J Jason Hooper

                            Chrome had its big internal flame war over forcing the http:// out of the address, not even giving the users an option to toggle it on/off. So it's not just Microsoft/IE. I happen to love Chrome and use it as my primary browser everywhere, and although I was skeptical about the removal of http:// from the URL bar, now it looks completely natural and I wouldn't want it back.

                            Jason

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                            redbones
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                            funny i'm only just noticing the removal of the http AFTER reading your comment

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