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    Marc Clifton
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    Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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      Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
      sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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      Well, if many other Bush supports are like me, they aren't happy about what is going on. If the dem's run someone other than a total moron (which is all they seem to have at the moment), Bush will find his butt out in the cold. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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        Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
        sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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        Bush isn't looking for trouble. Trouble just comes to Bush. Bush isn't just working for America. He's working to provide a common security for all nations which in the end provides security for America. Trouble makers have to be dealt with firmly. A growing trouble maker can not be allowed to grow into a global threat. Each must be dealt with firmly. No one should be allowed to threaten the free world. Bush doesn't start the trouble. Bush is just reacting to those who would threaten America and its allies. The alternative of the soft hand of diplomacy has only allowed the progress of North Korea's nuclear program and many missed opportunities against Al Qaeda. Being soft will never quench the maniacal desires of tyrants and madmen. Nobody wants their nation to be in a confrontational situations, but how can threats be eliminated in a non confrontational manner? Being nice only works with reasonable nations. For the unreasonable, the heavy hand is the only thing that will be respected. Nobody likes this situation, but walking away from confrontations can only result in the threat growing larger.

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          Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
          sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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          Marc Clifton wrote: The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. Oh so there is a candidate you guys actually like? Or is anybody else better IYHO? :-D

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          Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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            Bush isn't looking for trouble. Trouble just comes to Bush. Bush isn't just working for America. He's working to provide a common security for all nations which in the end provides security for America. Trouble makers have to be dealt with firmly. A growing trouble maker can not be allowed to grow into a global threat. Each must be dealt with firmly. No one should be allowed to threaten the free world. Bush doesn't start the trouble. Bush is just reacting to those who would threaten America and its allies. The alternative of the soft hand of diplomacy has only allowed the progress of North Korea's nuclear program and many missed opportunities against Al Qaeda. Being soft will never quench the maniacal desires of tyrants and madmen. Nobody wants their nation to be in a confrontational situations, but how can threats be eliminated in a non confrontational manner? Being nice only works with reasonable nations. For the unreasonable, the heavy hand is the only thing that will be respected. Nobody likes this situation, but walking away from confrontations can only result in the threat growing larger.

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            Emcee Lam wrote: Bush isn't looking for trouble. Trouble just comes to Bush :laugh: :laugh: Poor chap, such a burden he has, we just don't appreciate his heavy handedness I guess...

            Paul Watson
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            Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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              Marc Clifton wrote: The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. Oh so there is a candidate you guys actually like? Or is anybody else better IYHO? :-D

              Paul Watson
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              Christopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

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              Paul Watson wrote: Oh so there is a candidate you guys actually like? Nope, we don't do likeable candidates. Elections just give us the chance to pick the one we detest the least...

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                Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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                Marc Clifton wrote: It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Not to mention 61 years... :| Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                  Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                  sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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                  i'm typing with one hand, so excuse me. But everyone likes to push a single point forward. You have no clue as to what is really happening. i've seen mass weapons (in the hands of crazy people) and whatever the free world is going to do to stop it, well, i'm for it. does anyone here look at the whole picture? have you personally heard some of these other country's leaders talk? does any one here have a background in biological weapons? in traditional weapons? in anything that look t this whole mess as one? Anybody care to really get into the details???? are are you going to take one point and run with it, and not really know what the **** you are talking about. My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country. He had one regret, about helping people who were selfish and didn't cherish his country as much as he did. But, he believed in his country. And he did his duty. God Bless you Bro,

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                    Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                    sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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                    Many people that go to my school remembered it last night by getting "bombed" at the biggest drinking party of the year. They had many kegs of Bud Light and Killigan's Red as well as some punch that could kill a horse. I had to check on a friend this morning because I heard that after more than a dozen cups of the punch he prayed to the porcelin god and passed out in the back room at the party. It turned out that he was fine. They also had 2 local bands play, and they were pretty good. Very good times for stressed out college students:) Brad Jennings

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                      i'm typing with one hand, so excuse me. But everyone likes to push a single point forward. You have no clue as to what is really happening. i've seen mass weapons (in the hands of crazy people) and whatever the free world is going to do to stop it, well, i'm for it. does anyone here look at the whole picture? have you personally heard some of these other country's leaders talk? does any one here have a background in biological weapons? in traditional weapons? in anything that look t this whole mess as one? Anybody care to really get into the details???? are are you going to take one point and run with it, and not really know what the **** you are talking about. My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country. He had one regret, about helping people who were selfish and didn't cherish his country as much as he did. But, he believed in his country. And he did his duty. God Bless you Bro,

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                      zenboy wrote: does anyone here look at the whole picture? no, of course not. we're all total idiots. but, if shortsightedness and single-mindedness is good enough for the President, it must be good enough for his subjects, too. -c


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                        Bush isn't looking for trouble. Trouble just comes to Bush. Bush isn't just working for America. He's working to provide a common security for all nations which in the end provides security for America. Trouble makers have to be dealt with firmly. A growing trouble maker can not be allowed to grow into a global threat. Each must be dealt with firmly. No one should be allowed to threaten the free world. Bush doesn't start the trouble. Bush is just reacting to those who would threaten America and its allies. The alternative of the soft hand of diplomacy has only allowed the progress of North Korea's nuclear program and many missed opportunities against Al Qaeda. Being soft will never quench the maniacal desires of tyrants and madmen. Nobody wants their nation to be in a confrontational situations, but how can threats be eliminated in a non confrontational manner? Being nice only works with reasonable nations. For the unreasonable, the heavy hand is the only thing that will be respected. Nobody likes this situation, but walking away from confrontations can only result in the threat growing larger.

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                        Bollocks. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                          i'm typing with one hand, so excuse me. But everyone likes to push a single point forward. You have no clue as to what is really happening. i've seen mass weapons (in the hands of crazy people) and whatever the free world is going to do to stop it, well, i'm for it. does anyone here look at the whole picture? have you personally heard some of these other country's leaders talk? does any one here have a background in biological weapons? in traditional weapons? in anything that look t this whole mess as one? Anybody care to really get into the details???? are are you going to take one point and run with it, and not really know what the **** you are talking about. My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country. He had one regret, about helping people who were selfish and didn't cherish his country as much as he did. But, he believed in his country. And he did his duty. God Bless you Bro,

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                          Christian Graus
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                          Just because your brother was a good and decent person with high ideals, does not commute those ideals to those who gave him his orders. If you think the media is giving you the whole picture, I'm about to put Los Angeles up for auction on ebay but to avoid fees, you can have it for only $1,000. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                            Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
                            sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus

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                            Zenboy wrote: My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country.. Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) RJS

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                              Bollocks. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                              :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."

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                                Paul Watson wrote: Oh so there is a candidate you guys actually like? Nope, we don't do likeable candidates. Elections just give us the chance to pick the one we detest the least...

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                                ...assuming you count the votes correctly :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."

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                                  ...assuming you count the votes correctly :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."

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                                  phykell wrote: assuming you count the votes correctly Counting them isn't the trouble; getting the bewildered elderly in Florida to remember from election to election how to punch little holes in pieces of paper is a challenge, though. It takes them forever, too. Next election we're taking away their Depends to make the lines move a bit quicker. We can use the chad from the ballots to sweep up the messes on the floor. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)

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                                    Zenboy wrote: My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country.. Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) RJS

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                                    >Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) Right on the money. :cool: Kant Sonork-100.28114

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                                      Bollocks. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                                      Christian Graus wrote: Bollocks. Because you say so or do you have anything substantial to add? Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                                        Christian Graus wrote: Bollocks. Because you say so or do you have anything substantial to add? Mike Mullikin :beer:

                                        It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox

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                                        No, I'm sick of arguing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Pakistan and India have nukes, why is this less of a travesty than North Korea having them ? What about the USA ? Saddam was a lunatic while the US armed him, and no less so when the US was at his border in 1991. So what has changed all of a sudden ? We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                                          No, I'm sick of arguing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Pakistan and India have nukes, why is this less of a travesty than North Korea having them ? What about the USA ? Saddam was a lunatic while the US armed him, and no less so when the US was at his border in 1991. So what has changed all of a sudden ? We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                                          I knew you had an opinion to express, much better than bollocks - don't you think? Christian Graus wrote: We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. As do I. Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? Mike Mullikin :beer:

                                          It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox

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