Pearl Harbor Day
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Zenboy wrote: My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country.. Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) RJS
zarzor wrote: Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) :confused: WTF? Don't get me wrong, Sharon's a great gal, and i'm sure there are many who would love to see her covered with oil... But, it's rather disrespectful (not to mention distressingly confusing) to bring up your personal fetishes when someone is talking about his dead brother... :|
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Shog9 This is my December These are my snow covered dreams This is me pretending This is all I need...
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Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian GrausDubya tells me I shouldn't care about Pearl Harbor, and that it probably never even really happened.
At least, that's what he's doing to all the veterans; wasting their deaths and sacrifice by rescinding rights they died to win. evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
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The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Because America has already done that and stopped after sometime. How long can you go on complaining about the same thing over and over again? The Clinton government imposed economic and others sanctions* on India and Pakistan. These sanctions were later removed because of the lobby in the US. India used to be America's Most Favoured Nation in the textile industry. And don't forget about the software indistry. A full 8% of all US trade happens with India (I read this somewhere sometime back. If you ask me to back it up, I may or may not be able to do so, but I'll have to look it up). When you stop that, people start complaining. India wasn't much affected because most of that 8% consisted of things exported from the US. So it was mostly the US businessmen who came under the axe. Anyway... And I remember it was so funny about Pakistan. I read in the newspaper that if the sanctions had not been lifted for another six weeks, Pakistan would have started starving. So the sanctions were lifted from the both the countries at about the same time I think. Imagine, these guys didn't have money for food, and they were spending it on nukes and warplanes and such instead. When will they ever learn to set their priorities right? Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them, especially if that someone is India, and not Iraq. It would be interesting if someone could shed more light on this, since this happened a few years ago, and I have never been interested in things to remember it all very clearly for so long. So I could be wrong in any or all of my statements above, though I don't think I am. ;P *(I am a bit confused here. Don't you sanction a grant when you give money to someone, or don't you sanction an event that you let happen? So how can the "penalty" that was imposed on us also be called a sanction? Anyway English is not my first language, so I'll never understand it completely.)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Because America has already done that and stopped after sometime. How long can you go on complaining about the same thing over and over again? The Clinton government imposed economic and others sanctions* on India and Pakistan. These sanctions were later removed because of the lobby in the US. India used to be America's Most Favoured Nation in the textile industry. And don't forget about the software indistry. A full 8% of all US trade happens with India (I read this somewhere sometime back. If you ask me to back it up, I may or may not be able to do so, but I'll have to look it up). When you stop that, people start complaining. India wasn't much affected because most of that 8% consisted of things exported from the US. So it was mostly the US businessmen who came under the axe. Anyway... And I remember it was so funny about Pakistan. I read in the newspaper that if the sanctions had not been lifted for another six weeks, Pakistan would have started starving. So the sanctions were lifted from the both the countries at about the same time I think. Imagine, these guys didn't have money for food, and they were spending it on nukes and warplanes and such instead. When will they ever learn to set their priorities right? Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them, especially if that someone is India, and not Iraq. It would be interesting if someone could shed more light on this, since this happened a few years ago, and I have never been interested in things to remember it all very clearly for so long. So I could be wrong in any or all of my statements above, though I don't think I am. ;P *(I am a bit confused here. Don't you sanction a grant when you give money to someone, or don't you sanction an event that you let happen? So how can the "penalty" that was imposed on us also be called a sanction? Anyway English is not my first language, so I'll never understand it completely.)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them... Ummmm... can't we all agree that the less nukes in the world the better? Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? IMO you guys are twisting things around. We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? I guess I should put forward my theory instead of just asking questions. He can't catch Osama, so he's getting people to confuse the two, so they think he's going after the greater evil and so doesn't go down in history as a loser President who only served one term because he couldn't catch the bad guy. I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. I agree, but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs. As for the NK issue - Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Dubya tells me I shouldn't care about Pearl Harbor, and that it probably never even really happened.
At least, that's what he's doing to all the veterans; wasting their deaths and sacrifice by rescinding rights they died to win. evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
Kristopher wrote: Dubya tells me I shouldn't care about Pearl Harbor, and that it probably never even really happened. You are one confused individual. :suss: Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus has posed excellent questions. India/Pakistan is a conflict between only 2 countries. The missles are not pointed in any other direction. Thus the scope is smaller. India can be placated through negotiations and Pakistan likewise. These are reasonable countries and they respond to diplomacy. Unfortunately, what is next to impossible is getting both of them to give up their nuclear weapons. Of more immediate concern is preventing the outbreak of war. If peace ever becomes possible between these countries, then nuclear disarmament talks can begin. North Korea is a totally different case. The objective is to firmly prevent another nuclear possessing nation. North Korea should not be allowed to threaten both South Korea and Japan. If North Korea develops nuclear weapons then South Korea and Japan would feel obliged to do likewise. This would set the stage for a cuban missle crisis. America was lucky during the cuban missle crisis. Korea and Japan may not be so lucky. What makes North Korea troublesome is that diplomacy has not yielded satisfactory results.
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them... Ummmm... can't we all agree that the less nukes in the world the better? Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? IMO you guys are twisting things around. We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
Mike Mullikin wrote: Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? Mike Mullikin wrote: We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. You are right Mike, I agree with you. I was only replying to Christians's statement above which said that India/Pakistan are not getting criticized while N Korea is. I was only trying to draw attention to the fact that the US also has nukes and no one says a word about it. Like you said, we should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. We should also be trying to persuade everyone, including US, India, Pakistan, and others to get rid of the existing nukes. But I know that is not going to happen.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? Mike Mullikin wrote: We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. You are right Mike, I agree with you. I was only replying to Christians's statement above which said that India/Pakistan are not getting criticized while N Korea is. I was only trying to draw attention to the fact that the US also has nukes and no one says a word about it. Like you said, we should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. We should also be trying to persuade everyone, including US, India, Pakistan, and others to get rid of the existing nukes. But I know that is not going to happen.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: We should also be trying to persuade everyone, including US, India, Pakistan, and others to get rid of the existing nukes. Agreed. Rohit Sinha wrote: But I know that is not going to happen. Also true. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian GrausMarc Clifton wrote: Pakistan and India, I hope you didn't mean India is one of Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Queda, Israel/Palestine (I really don't know about the situation here so I should not probably mention these, just like I won't mention others), etc. What is Pearl Harbour? Is it some seaport or something which was attacked? I don't know anything about it, so please excuse my ignorance. From the other posts I have gathered it has something to do with war, but that's all. Marc Clifton wrote: This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Polls are slanted, and can prove anything, if you ask the right kind of questions. For me, they are nothing more than another "proof" of my point when I am arguing with somebody about something, and the polls happen to say what I am saying. :cool:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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Marc Clifton wrote: Pakistan and India, I hope you didn't mean India is one of Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Queda, Israel/Palestine (I really don't know about the situation here so I should not probably mention these, just like I won't mention others), etc. What is Pearl Harbour? Is it some seaport or something which was attacked? I don't know anything about it, so please excuse my ignorance. From the other posts I have gathered it has something to do with war, but that's all. Marc Clifton wrote: This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Polls are slanted, and can prove anything, if you ask the right kind of questions. For me, they are nothing more than another "proof" of my point when I am arguing with somebody about something, and the polls happen to say what I am saying. :cool:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: What is Pearl Harbour? Is it some seaport or something which was attacked? I don't know anything about it, so please excuse my ignorance. From the other posts I have gathered it has something to do with war, but that's all. Pearl Harbor (Hawaii) is the name of the US Navel base attacked on Dec 7, 1941 by the Japanese. Although some disagree, this event is widely seen as the event that finally drew the US directly into WW2. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Zenboy wrote: My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country.. Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) RJS
Don't think lightly of Oil. If unfriendly Arabs gained control of the oil, America would suffer another oil embargo like in the 70s. It's not about greed. It's about staving off recession. American jobs are at stake, and the Arabs know they can strangle America's economy. The black gold is the Arab weapon of economic domination. Anything that puts friendly Arabs in charge of oil is good for America. Anything that puts Al Qaeda and Saddam Husseins in charge is bad for America. Actually, I don't like Sharon or Arafat, but at least Sharon doesn't kill indiscriminately. Admittedly, Sharon has a bad habit of killing anybody who happens to be in proximity to the terrorists. Sharon also has the positive attribute of being beholden to the US. If the US wasn't involved, I'm convinced that Sharon would have declared war long ago and purged all the Palestinians.
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. I agree, but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs. As for the NK issue - Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
I don't normally reply to my own messages but I found my current message rating quite interesting - 2 votes for a 1.0 score. It certainly appears that 2 people strongly disagree with my comments in this message. Let's analyze it! ;) I wrote: I agree [the situation with Saddam Hussein is not as black and white as some would have us think], but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs Do they disagree and believe that Saddam Hussein developing weapons of mass destruction is a good thing? I wrote: Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you [CG who happens to live in Australia] even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Do they disagree that North Korea is closer to Australia than it is to the US ;P or do they think North Korea having nukes is a good thing? Come on folks, if your gonna rate me low at least explain yourself. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Christian Graus has posed excellent questions. India/Pakistan is a conflict between only 2 countries. The missles are not pointed in any other direction. Thus the scope is smaller. India can be placated through negotiations and Pakistan likewise. These are reasonable countries and they respond to diplomacy. Unfortunately, what is next to impossible is getting both of them to give up their nuclear weapons. Of more immediate concern is preventing the outbreak of war. If peace ever becomes possible between these countries, then nuclear disarmament talks can begin. North Korea is a totally different case. The objective is to firmly prevent another nuclear possessing nation. North Korea should not be allowed to threaten both South Korea and Japan. If North Korea develops nuclear weapons then South Korea and Japan would feel obliged to do likewise. This would set the stage for a cuban missle crisis. America was lucky during the cuban missle crisis. Korea and Japan may not be so lucky. What makes North Korea troublesome is that diplomacy has not yielded satisfactory results.
Emcee Lam wrote: India can be placated through negotiations and Pakistan likewise. While India does respond to diplomacy, and we have been doing so for a long time now ("responding" to diplomacy I mean, while Pakistan sponsored terrorists successfully kill at least 5 Indians daily, and manage to explode at least one bomb daily in India), the same cannot be said a bout Pakistan. The Indian tourism industry is in shambles, and people from outside countries are afraid to come here. India has recently presented an 8000 or so page document to all the embassies in India on terrorism sponsored by Pakistan. It lists all the terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and the names and addresses of all the members, among other things. I think it's high time we started doing something against this plague, and stop talking. Enough already! US keeps asking India to show restraint, and not launching an attack on Pakistan, while "urging" Paksitan to stop the cross border terrorism, which Pakistan ignores and carries on merrily. Every single day they kill a few people in India, including policemen. Very recently they have started planting bombs in public places and then alerting the police about it. The bomb is usually a very small one and is defused before it can do any harm, but imagine the terror that spreads in the minds of people. Of course one or two bombs manage to explode too, just so that people are never sure. No where is it safe any more. Temples, mosques, churches, movie theatres, bus stations, railway stations, market places, they can come any where. There could be a bomb in the bank where I am going. Talk about terror. When you live in this situation everyday, you'll know what terrorism is all about. It is not about crashing a plane into a building and killing thousands of people. It is about creating terror. Whether you need to kill thousands of people at once to do it, or kill them one by one, it makes no difference. Terrorism is bad, very bad. Ask the victims. Not those who died, but those who didn't, and know that they may be next. They are the real victims of terrorism. Shooting the one, two or twenty terrorists that came to attack or bomb a place every day is not going to solve the problem. The problem has to be solved at the root. And that means twisting the arms of Pakistan if necessary. Holding talks is no good. We have been talking for a long time now, and nothing good has come out of it. All the anti terrorism countries now need to
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Rohit Sinha wrote: What is Pearl Harbour? Is it some seaport or something which was attacked? I don't know anything about it, so please excuse my ignorance. From the other posts I have gathered it has something to do with war, but that's all. Pearl Harbor (Hawaii) is the name of the US Navel base attacked on Dec 7, 1941 by the Japanese. Although some disagree, this event is widely seen as the event that finally drew the US directly into WW2. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
Mike Mullikin wrote: Although some disagree The thing about the US's reaction after Pearl Harbor that has always confused me is. "Why enter the African Europe war also ?" The US could have kept it's war to just one member of Axis, and didn't need to go to war with Germany and Italy as well. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. I agree, but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs. As for the NK issue - Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
Mike Mullikin wrote: I agree, but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs. I'm interested to see if any proof of these is given to us before we give our lives for it. Mike Mullikin wrote: Doesn't it bother you even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? So long as the US has nukes, I can understand countries that feel they have the US as an aggressor wanting them also. The thing is, as soon as we say a country has nukes, people seem to assume this means they have the ability to blow up another country. In truth, these countries have nukes of very limited range and yield. I'd prefer there were no nukes, but that's not going to happen. I don't really care what N. Korea has, I see no reason for them to point them at me, excepting the possibility that GW decides to score more points after he's finished with Saddam by going after NK, and John Howard keeps bending over for him. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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I don't normally reply to my own messages but I found my current message rating quite interesting - 2 votes for a 1.0 score. It certainly appears that 2 people strongly disagree with my comments in this message. Let's analyze it! ;) I wrote: I agree [the situation with Saddam Hussein is not as black and white as some would have us think], but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs Do they disagree and believe that Saddam Hussein developing weapons of mass destruction is a good thing? I wrote: Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you [CG who happens to live in Australia] even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Do they disagree that North Korea is closer to Australia than it is to the US ;P or do they think North Korea having nukes is a good thing? Come on folks, if your gonna rate me low at least explain yourself. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
I agree - I have not done as badly ( 2.7 with four votes ) but I'd appreciate someone telling me why they disagree, assuming you're not the only person to give me a 1 for that post, of course. I don't believe I've voted, I don't think the voting system is for telling people if we like their opinion or not. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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I don't normally reply to my own messages but I found my current message rating quite interesting - 2 votes for a 1.0 score. It certainly appears that 2 people strongly disagree with my comments in this message. Let's analyze it! ;) I wrote: I agree [the situation with Saddam Hussein is not as black and white as some would have us think], but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs Do they disagree and believe that Saddam Hussein developing weapons of mass destruction is a good thing? I wrote: Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you [CG who happens to live in Australia] even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Do they disagree that North Korea is closer to Australia than it is to the US ;P or do they think North Korea having nukes is a good thing? Come on folks, if your gonna rate me low at least explain yourself. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
Mike Mullikin wrote: It certainly appears that 2 people strongly disagree with my comments in this message. Clearly, they are either from Iraq or N Korea. :suss:
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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Christian Graus wrote: Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Because America has already done that and stopped after sometime. How long can you go on complaining about the same thing over and over again? The Clinton government imposed economic and others sanctions* on India and Pakistan. These sanctions were later removed because of the lobby in the US. India used to be America's Most Favoured Nation in the textile industry. And don't forget about the software indistry. A full 8% of all US trade happens with India (I read this somewhere sometime back. If you ask me to back it up, I may or may not be able to do so, but I'll have to look it up). When you stop that, people start complaining. India wasn't much affected because most of that 8% consisted of things exported from the US. So it was mostly the US businessmen who came under the axe. Anyway... And I remember it was so funny about Pakistan. I read in the newspaper that if the sanctions had not been lifted for another six weeks, Pakistan would have started starving. So the sanctions were lifted from the both the countries at about the same time I think. Imagine, these guys didn't have money for food, and they were spending it on nukes and warplanes and such instead. When will they ever learn to set their priorities right? Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them, especially if that someone is India, and not Iraq. It would be interesting if someone could shed more light on this, since this happened a few years ago, and I have never been interested in things to remember it all very clearly for so long. So I could be wrong in any or all of my statements above, though I don't think I am. ;P *(I am a bit confused here. Don't you sanction a grant when you give money to someone, or don't you sanction an event that you let happen? So how can the "penalty" that was imposed on us also be called a sanction? Anyway English is not my first language, so I'll never understand it completely.)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: Imagine, these guys didn't have money for food, and they were spending it on nukes and warplanes and such instead. When will they ever learn to set their priorities right? Had India not spent a single penny on acquiring advance weapons from Russia and Israel ??? Look at the frustration of India society: 15,000 rapes per year[^]. Instead of spending so much money on getting weapons, if your governments concentrated on making the infrastructure of police better, these social evils would be much lower. And how much money Indian people have for food, clothing and housing?? How many are living on streets can you count them ?? So, you realize yourself that who was getting starved?? BTW: If you raise one finger on other, three fingers still points towards you. Imran Farooqui World first Urdu Instant Messenger[^] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Java is a tool for creating applications that torture users with its awful speed and its ugly interfaces. Daniel Turini commenting on this article