Pearl Harbor Day
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Bollocks. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Paul Watson wrote: Oh so there is a candidate you guys actually like? Nope, we don't do likeable candidates. Elections just give us the chance to pick the one we detest the least...
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Shog9 This is my December These are my snow covered dreams This is me pretending This is all I need...
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...assuming you count the votes correctly :) "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: assuming you count the votes correctly Counting them isn't the trouble; getting the bewildered elderly in Florida to remember from election to election how to punch little holes in pieces of paper is a challenge, though. It takes them forever, too. Next election we're taking away their Depends to make the lines move a bit quicker. We can use the chad from the ballots to sweep up the messes on the floor. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
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Zenboy wrote: My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country.. Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) RJS
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Bollocks. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Bollocks. Because you say so or do you have anything substantial to add? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
No, I'm sick of arguing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Pakistan and India have nukes, why is this less of a travesty than North Korea having them ? What about the USA ? Saddam was a lunatic while the US armed him, and no less so when the US was at his border in 1991. So what has changed all of a sudden ? We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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No, I'm sick of arguing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Pakistan and India have nukes, why is this less of a travesty than North Korea having them ? What about the USA ? Saddam was a lunatic while the US armed him, and no less so when the US was at his border in 1991. So what has changed all of a sudden ? We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
I knew you had an opinion to express, much better than bollocks - don't you think? Christian Graus wrote: We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. As do I. Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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I knew you had an opinion to express, much better than bollocks - don't you think? Christian Graus wrote: We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. As do I. Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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I knew you had an opinion to express, much better than bollocks - don't you think? Christian Graus wrote: We are told to toe the line and send our children to die in Bushes war, a war which American UN inspectors say will happen no matter what Iraq does, because Bush is setting it up that way. I prefer to think for myself rather than believe what is fed to me by people with no reason to tell me the truth. As do I. Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
Mike Mullikin wrote: Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? I guess I should put forward my theory instead of just asking questions. He can't catch Osama, so he's getting people to confuse the two, so they think he's going after the greater evil and so doesn't go down in history as a loser President who only served one term because he couldn't catch the bad guy. I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Zenboy wrote: My brother used to be a Navy Seal. He gave his life for his country. He died being proud of his country.. Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) RJS
zarzor wrote: Let everyone knows that the important objects for us: ( OIL + SHARON) :confused: WTF? Don't get me wrong, Sharon's a great gal, and i'm sure there are many who would love to see her covered with oil... But, it's rather disrespectful (not to mention distressingly confusing) to bring up your personal fetishes when someone is talking about his dead brother... :|
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Shog9 This is my December These are my snow covered dreams This is me pretending This is all I need...
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Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian GrausDubya tells me I shouldn't care about Pearl Harbor, and that it probably never even really happened.
At least, that's what he's doing to all the veterans; wasting their deaths and sacrifice by rescinding rights they died to win. evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
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The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Because America has already done that and stopped after sometime. How long can you go on complaining about the same thing over and over again? The Clinton government imposed economic and others sanctions* on India and Pakistan. These sanctions were later removed because of the lobby in the US. India used to be America's Most Favoured Nation in the textile industry. And don't forget about the software indistry. A full 8% of all US trade happens with India (I read this somewhere sometime back. If you ask me to back it up, I may or may not be able to do so, but I'll have to look it up). When you stop that, people start complaining. India wasn't much affected because most of that 8% consisted of things exported from the US. So it was mostly the US businessmen who came under the axe. Anyway... And I remember it was so funny about Pakistan. I read in the newspaper that if the sanctions had not been lifted for another six weeks, Pakistan would have started starving. So the sanctions were lifted from the both the countries at about the same time I think. Imagine, these guys didn't have money for food, and they were spending it on nukes and warplanes and such instead. When will they ever learn to set their priorities right? Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them, especially if that someone is India, and not Iraq. It would be interesting if someone could shed more light on this, since this happened a few years ago, and I have never been interested in things to remember it all very clearly for so long. So I could be wrong in any or all of my statements above, though I don't think I am. ;P *(I am a bit confused here. Don't you sanction a grant when you give money to someone, or don't you sanction an event that you let happen? So how can the "penalty" that was imposed on us also be called a sanction? Anyway English is not my first language, so I'll never understand it completely.)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Because America has already done that and stopped after sometime. How long can you go on complaining about the same thing over and over again? The Clinton government imposed economic and others sanctions* on India and Pakistan. These sanctions were later removed because of the lobby in the US. India used to be America's Most Favoured Nation in the textile industry. And don't forget about the software indistry. A full 8% of all US trade happens with India (I read this somewhere sometime back. If you ask me to back it up, I may or may not be able to do so, but I'll have to look it up). When you stop that, people start complaining. India wasn't much affected because most of that 8% consisted of things exported from the US. So it was mostly the US businessmen who came under the axe. Anyway... And I remember it was so funny about Pakistan. I read in the newspaper that if the sanctions had not been lifted for another six weeks, Pakistan would have started starving. So the sanctions were lifted from the both the countries at about the same time I think. Imagine, these guys didn't have money for food, and they were spending it on nukes and warplanes and such instead. When will they ever learn to set their priorities right? Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them, especially if that someone is India, and not Iraq. It would be interesting if someone could shed more light on this, since this happened a few years ago, and I have never been interested in things to remember it all very clearly for so long. So I could be wrong in any or all of my statements above, though I don't think I am. ;P *(I am a bit confused here. Don't you sanction a grant when you give money to someone, or don't you sanction an event that you let happen? So how can the "penalty" that was imposed on us also be called a sanction? Anyway English is not my first language, so I'll never understand it completely.)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them... Ummmm... can't we all agree that the less nukes in the world the better? Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? IMO you guys are twisting things around. We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Did you ever consider maybe Bush is simply threatening Saddam with the only thing he understands? I guess I should put forward my theory instead of just asking questions. He can't catch Osama, so he's getting people to confuse the two, so they think he's going after the greater evil and so doesn't go down in history as a loser President who only served one term because he couldn't catch the bad guy. I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I'm not starting the Saddam fan club, I just don't think it's as black and white as they would like us to think. I agree, but I'd not want him to develop or continue to develop WMDs. As for the NK issue - Australia is much closer to NK than the US. Doesn't it bother you even a little that another unstable country in the region has that kind of weapon? Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Dubya tells me I shouldn't care about Pearl Harbor, and that it probably never even really happened.
At least, that's what he's doing to all the veterans; wasting their deaths and sacrifice by rescinding rights they died to win. evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
Kristopher wrote: Dubya tells me I shouldn't care about Pearl Harbor, and that it probably never even really happened. You are one confused individual. :suss: Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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The real questions are why now, and why like this ? Why complain about North Korea and not India/Pakistan ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus has posed excellent questions. India/Pakistan is a conflict between only 2 countries. The missles are not pointed in any other direction. Thus the scope is smaller. India can be placated through negotiations and Pakistan likewise. These are reasonable countries and they respond to diplomacy. Unfortunately, what is next to impossible is getting both of them to give up their nuclear weapons. Of more immediate concern is preventing the outbreak of war. If peace ever becomes possible between these countries, then nuclear disarmament talks can begin. North Korea is a totally different case. The objective is to firmly prevent another nuclear possessing nation. North Korea should not be allowed to threaten both South Korea and Japan. If North Korea develops nuclear weapons then South Korea and Japan would feel obliged to do likewise. This would set the stage for a cuban missle crisis. America was lucky during the cuban missle crisis. Korea and Japan may not be so lucky. What makes North Korea troublesome is that diplomacy has not yielded satisfactory results.
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Rohit Sinha wrote: Another question could be, why is the US complaining about India/Pakistan/N Korea/others when they themselves have the nukes? OK, so they have shown restraint over the past 60 or so years, but they still have it, and if someone else says they need to have it, they have no "logical reason" to say no you can't have it to them... Ummmm... can't we all agree that the less nukes in the world the better? Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? IMO you guys are twisting things around. We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
Mike Mullikin wrote: Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? Mike Mullikin wrote: We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. You are right Mike, I agree with you. I was only replying to Christians's statement above which said that India/Pakistan are not getting criticized while N Korea is. I was only trying to draw attention to the fact that the US also has nukes and no one says a word about it. Like you said, we should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. We should also be trying to persuade everyone, including US, India, Pakistan, and others to get rid of the existing nukes. But I know that is not going to happen.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Assuming that we can't realistically expect to destroy all of them, doesn't it make sense to at least stop known ruthless dictators from getting them? Mike Mullikin wrote: We should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. You are right Mike, I agree with you. I was only replying to Christians's statement above which said that India/Pakistan are not getting criticized while N Korea is. I was only trying to draw attention to the fact that the US also has nukes and no one says a word about it. Like you said, we should all be trying to stop everyone from developing nukes. We should also be trying to persuade everyone, including US, India, Pakistan, and others to get rid of the existing nukes. But I know that is not going to happen.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Rohit Sinha wrote: We should also be trying to persuade everyone, including US, India, Pakistan, and others to get rid of the existing nukes. Agreed. Rohit Sinha wrote: But I know that is not going to happen. Also true. Mike Mullikin :beer:
It is really hard to be a professional and do things right, in a company full of monkeys. - Michael P. Butler, The Soapbox
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Funny, Google doesn't even have an article on it in their "top news stories". It seems so distant all of a sudden, what with 9/11, Bush, Iraq, Bush, Al Queda, Bush, Israel and Palestine, Bush, Kenya, Bush, Indonesia, Bush, North Korea, Bush, Pakistan and India, Bush, Saudi Arabia, Bush, etc.etc.etc. Oh boy, now I've gone and depressed myself. Doesn't really seem like we've figured out how to live with each other yet, does it? And it certainly seems that George Bush hasn't figured out how to live with anyone, let alone them with him. The 2004 elections can't come fast enough for me. And yet, his popularity poll is so high. Well, as I heard on a talkshow on NPR, the popularity polls are a lot of propaganda--they ask surface level questions and then say Bush is popular because people agree, in very general terms, with his policies. But if you ask deeper questions, you find that people start disagreeing with his policies. This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian GrausMarc Clifton wrote: Pakistan and India, I hope you didn't mean India is one of Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Al Queda, Israel/Palestine (I really don't know about the situation here so I should not probably mention these, just like I won't mention others), etc. What is Pearl Harbour? Is it some seaport or something which was attacked? I don't know anything about it, so please excuse my ignorance. From the other posts I have gathered it has something to do with war, but that's all. Marc Clifton wrote: This means the polls are basically useless, people are really shallow, or both. I subscribe to both. Polls are slanted, and can prove anything, if you ask the right kind of questions. For me, they are nothing more than another "proof" of my point when I am arguing with somebody about something, and the polls happen to say what I am saying. :cool:
Regards,Rohit Sinha