how to get Freelance projects. . .
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Are you actually that stupid? You need to be an expert in a particular field/technology with a proven track record before you can get the big bucks you get contracting.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
A friend of mine is working in a public school. A few weeks ago, she happened to ask one of the farting little sh!ts darling little kids what he wanted to do when he grew up. In full earnest, he replied "I'm not going to work with anything. I plan on winning the lottery or hacking some credit account"... How's that for a future pillar of society? X| I could have told him that it's easier mugging little old ladies at the ATM in the end of the month when they come to withdraw their pension... ;P
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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i know there are different sites, but they dont give projects to new comers i mean i have round about 7 or 8 month experience, but never got project even though how much i tried :sigh:
Having gone freelance recently myself (Today in fact. See thread below) this is what I've found most helpful. 1) Go to local developer user groups and get to know people. 2) Speak at local developer user groups on topics that get you excited. 3) Have a website of technical stuff that you are interested in. 4) Make your code available online somehow. I have a github profile of personal projects, or you can focus on contribution to other open source projects, but do something that allows potential employers to review your code. 5) Get on linked in and connect with other developers in your area (who you met from the user group). Ultimately what this boils down to is be active and visible. The stuff above I have been doing for the last 2-3 years, not really with the intention of going freelance, but now I have I am pretty sure these activities were the biggest help. When you are actually ready to commit, upload your CV to a few jobsites, and make sure people in your network know you are available. Remember that when it comes to contract work it's not like permanent employment. Employers aren't interested in people with good potential, or who have the scope to be trained in a framework. You need to have a level of expertise in exactly what they want. Being just a general .net developer isn't good enough, you need to have specialisms. In a permanent job an employer might hire a .net dev who's only done WinForms because they know WPF can be taught quickly to someone good. Contract employers won't, you need to know WPF inside out from day 1 if that's what they use. You are going to need to be an expert. 7-8 months experience isn't much, you will need to show you are an expert. If you've been working on open source and personal projects for years prior then sure you should be able to land some contract work with only 7-8 months professional experience, but if your only development experience has been in those 7-8 months you probably need to spend some time working on your skill set first. One thing I discovered is that most employers who want freelancers want them *immediately* they aren't interested in waiting for you to work out your months notice. When you are ready you have to fully commit and quit your job before you have anything solid to go to. There are of course exceptions to this, especially if you network and discover the need for something before it's really announced, but by the time most positions become public they are looking to fill at very short notice.
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First you need to practice - wax on / wax off - until it becomes second nature. And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
That line is brilliant :laugh: +5
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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i know there are different sites, but they dont give projects to new comers i mean i have round about 7 or 8 month experience, but never got project even though how much i tried :sigh:
You have competitors, so it is normal that the person/company who is looking for someone to make the job would prefer somebody with a high level of experience, expertise, knowledge... What an employer is searching is a mixture of knowledge and experience in the fields that the employer must solve. It is typical that when you are searching for a job you will face the fact that some employers will only give a job to you if you've worked before and of course this makes it a little bit more difficult, but this is how it works... Don't despair, keep improving your skills, start looking for a job that probably won't have a high salary in order to get experience... You'll see that you will learn a lot once you start working... Not only in concepts and the programming issues, but job issues: how to cope with others, sharing space with others, sharing tasks... Good luck! :thumbsup:
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I'ev just checked and I still have an account. I used to make a bit of pin money from it, but when it became "rewrite windows max $100" all the time I stopped going.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
Very understandable. It is like I always say: If you are only paying peanuts, you should not wonder too much about only having monkeys apply for the job.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
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If you mean free instead of freelance, there are tons of homework questions posted here daily that you can take a shot at. You'll help out some poor miserable student who'll end up as a crappy developer anyway. So nothing gained, nothing lost (for him), and you get some coding experience. :-D
Regards, Nish
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Aw Nish, that's cold. I like it!
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First you need to practice - wax on / wax off - until it becomes second nature. And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
Wonderful. 5. end. LOL.
[www.tamelectromecanica.com] Robots, CNC and PLC machines for grinding and polishing.
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i know there are different sites, but they dont give projects to new comers i mean i have round about 7 or 8 month experience, but never got project even though how much i tried :sigh:
you want to read the series that Pete O'Hanlon wrote Going Solo articles[^]
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
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i know there are different sites, but they dont give projects to new comers i mean i have round about 7 or 8 month experience, but never got project even though how much i tried :sigh:
Have you tried capitalizing "i" occasionally?
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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A friend of mine is working in a public school. A few weeks ago, she happened to ask one of the farting little sh!ts darling little kids what he wanted to do when he grew up. In full earnest, he replied "I'm not going to work with anything. I plan on winning the lottery or hacking some credit account"... How's that for a future pillar of society? X| I could have told him that it's easier mugging little old ladies at the ATM in the end of the month when they come to withdraw their pension... ;P
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932I suppose killing the little bastard and leaving his head on a pike outside the classroom as a lesson to others is out of the question?
Software Zen:
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I suppose killing the little bastard and leaving his head on a pike outside the classroom as a lesson to others is out of the question?
Software Zen:
delete this;I suspect so, but it IS an idea worth pursuing. I know a lot of people who are nothing but a waste of oxygen... :laugh:
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932 -
as i said i know these different sites like renacoder, freelancer odesk, but problem is developer like me having 7 month of experience dont get projects. people prefer expreienced developers for their work
I wouldn't hire you simply because you cannot be arsed to capitalise initial letters. Seriously.
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as i said i know these different sites like renacoder, freelancer odesk, but problem is developer like me having 7 month of experience dont get projects. people prefer expreienced developers for their work
First and foremost Keep trying, don't lose hope. Make programming your hobby, take up some personal projects. In this way you will gain experience and an attractive portfolio. Also check how you write cover letter. Is it one for all the projects or a customized for each job
No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it
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i know there are different sites, but they dont give projects to new comers i mean i have round about 7 or 8 month experience, but never got project even though how much i tried :sigh:
The only thing you need to do is to bid as much projects as you can. Bid only projects which you can complete. When you bid, write good message and don`t tell them, that you are beginner. For the first time, bid a little price, after,if you will get hight rating, employers will invite you to projects. I worked in vworker (rentacoder). After month, I could get my first job. 10 hours work for 15 or 25 dollars. But after it, all is ok :) So, Good luck and bid only, if you can do the work :) Vahag
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i know there are different sites, but they dont give projects to new comers i mean i have round about 7 or 8 month experience, but never got project even though how much i tried :sigh:
I have 5+ years of experience and I'm still having trouble getting work. Sometimes it's fee, sometimes time difference, sometimes it's country I'm from... Jobs rarely fall in one's lap.
modified on Monday, May 2, 2011 2:45 AM
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Are you actually that stupid? You need to be an expert in a particular field/technology with a proven track record before you can get the big bucks you get contracting.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Are you actually that stupid?
You need to be an expert in a particular field/technology with a proven track record before you can get the big bucks you get contracting.Don't be surprised at this attitude. Our government schools are training our kids to believe that "everybody is a winner". Entitlement mentality is rampant. Those of us who paid our dues know better. To the OP ... becoming a good developer is hard as hell. Don't expect to fall off a turnip truck and have people falling over themselves to hire you just because you call yourself a "programmer". Bust your ass at it for eight or ten years and then MAYBE you'll make a living at it. By the way ... you might want to learn how to write in English. I wouldn't hire someone who can't capitalize sentences or spell correctly. How the heck are you going to understand programming if you can't write English? -Max
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I have 5+ years of experience and I'm still having trouble getting work. Sometimes it's fee, sometimes time difference, sometimes it's country I'm from... Jobs rarely fall in one's lap.
modified on Monday, May 2, 2011 2:45 AM
Oshtri Deka wrote:
I have 5+ years of experience and still I'm having trouble getting work.
Sometimes it's fee, sometimes time difference, sometimes it's country I'm from...
Jobs rarely fall in one's lap.Yup. Stick with it. 5 years is barely out-of-school. When you hit 10 years you might start making enough to feed yourself on! -Max
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First you need to practice - wax on / wax off - until it becomes second nature. And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
I have to agree with the bacon part, as long as its nitrite free. :) Animal fats and fish oils are essential for your body and help you think better. This is why meat eaters are better programmers than vegans. I'm sure that comment will start another debate. :P
Johan Cyprich www.cyprich.com - Occasionally Relevant Insights from a Software Builder
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- Try getting experience/knowledge parallel to any development job you might have. Take extra courses, read books (coloured magazines with pictures of lightly dressed women don't help) 2) Try out sites like www.vworker.com[^] - make offers for small projects. But be realistic: Only make offers for stuff you're reasonably sure you can actually do. Making offers for stuff you can't do is a sure way to fail and get a negative rep. Build up the experience that way.
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932modified on Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:53 AM
I agree, if you believe you actually posses the skills to do a good job with the projects (which after 7 months - as a self taught person myself, I have to be honest - is probably a stretch), start by doing the work for cheap,- cheap, in order to build a portfolio that will give your potential clients confidence in your work.