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Lord save us - MS to buy borland?

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  • J Jim Crafton

    This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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    David Stone
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    Nooooooooo.....:eek: Not Borland! <chant>I hate Borland! I hate Borland!</chant>


    I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder Microsoft has reinvented the wheel, this time they made it round. -Peterchen on VS.NET

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    • J Jim Crafton

      This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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      Giles
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      Hilarious. What makes it funnny is that these two have some serious bidding power. Who wants to play chicken. With MS having 40 billion in change as well.

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        Nooooooooo.....:eek: Not Borland! <chant>I hate Borland! I hate Borland!</chant>


        I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder Microsoft has reinvented the wheel, this time they made it round. -Peterchen on VS.NET

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        Jim Crafton
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        I used to love borland technology - hint much of the stuff in .NET, particularly C# and the WinForms stuff draws it's heritage from Delphi. I HATED the way they went about customer support as well as being utterly clueless in terms of effectively marketing a great product (IMHO). IF this story is true, and frankly the reporting seems truly incompetent - since when is Oracle a separate environment, as in: " in non-Microsoft environments, such as those offered by Oracle Corp" WTF ??? Isn't this kind of iffy legally - wouldn't they be buying up some of the last of the competition in Windows development tools? Maybe not. Oh well, it all just a big joke anyways ! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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        • D David Stone

          Nooooooooo.....:eek: Not Borland! <chant>I hate Borland! I hate Borland!</chant>


          I don't know whether it's just the light but I swear the database server gives me dirty looks everytime I wander past. -Chris Maunder Microsoft has reinvented the wheel, this time they made it round. -Peterchen on VS.NET

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          carrie
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          same here, come on MS, buy Rational from under IBMs nose, Rational Rose is a great piece of software.

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          • J Jim Crafton

            I used to love borland technology - hint much of the stuff in .NET, particularly C# and the WinForms stuff draws it's heritage from Delphi. I HATED the way they went about customer support as well as being utterly clueless in terms of effectively marketing a great product (IMHO). IF this story is true, and frankly the reporting seems truly incompetent - since when is Oracle a separate environment, as in: " in non-Microsoft environments, such as those offered by Oracle Corp" WTF ??? Isn't this kind of iffy legally - wouldn't they be buying up some of the last of the competition in Windows development tools? Maybe not. Oh well, it all just a big joke anyways ! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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            Daniel Turini
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            Jim Crafton wrote: " in non-Microsoft environments, such as those offered by Oracle Corp" Oracle’s marketing, most of the time, try to their best to dissociate their products from Microsoft’s. They usually promote scalability as the ability to go to Unix, and ease of programming with Java. I see dumb people

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            • J Jim Crafton

              This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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              Richard Melton
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              Borland recently bought TogetherSoft. TogetherSoft makes a UML tool.

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              • J Jim Crafton

                This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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                Fazlul Kabir
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                Jim Crafton wrote: Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? Jim, AFAIK, Borland's enterprise suite has a modeling tool called "ModelMaker". I haven't personally used it; neither have I known that it is that popular when compared with other modeling software such as Rational Rose.

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                • J Jim Crafton

                  I used to love borland technology - hint much of the stuff in .NET, particularly C# and the WinForms stuff draws it's heritage from Delphi. I HATED the way they went about customer support as well as being utterly clueless in terms of effectively marketing a great product (IMHO). IF this story is true, and frankly the reporting seems truly incompetent - since when is Oracle a separate environment, as in: " in non-Microsoft environments, such as those offered by Oracle Corp" WTF ??? Isn't this kind of iffy legally - wouldn't they be buying up some of the last of the competition in Windows development tools? Maybe not. Oh well, it all just a big joke anyways ! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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                  Jason Gerard
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                  Jim Crafton wrote: since when is Oracle a separate environment, as in: Since Oracle came out with Oracle9i Application Server. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."

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                  • F Fazlul Kabir

                    Jim Crafton wrote: Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? Jim, AFAIK, Borland's enterprise suite has a modeling tool called "ModelMaker". I haven't personally used it; neither have I known that it is that popular when compared with other modeling software such as Rational Rose.

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                    Jason Gerard
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                    JBuilder 7, which I use daily, has some nice UML features built in. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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                      Joe Woodbury
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                      Borland is an also ran company. The only reason Microsoft would buy them is if they have a specific technology that would be cheaper to buy than to build. Frankly, given the quality of Borland software these days, Microsoft's better off building it themselves. (Plus, there would be some legitimate concerns given that Borland does compete, even if not very well, against Microsoft in some narrow areas.)

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                        same here, come on MS, buy Rational from under IBMs nose, Rational Rose is a great piece of software.

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                        William E Kempf
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                        :omg: I hope that was sarcasm!?! William E. Kempf

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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                          Shog9 0
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                          Much as i despair of ever using a quality Borland product again, i hope they are not absorbed into MS. Face it, they're doing more to improve MS products as a competitor than they could possibly do even if kept alive once assimilated. Lack of competition produces stuff like "Rose"... :~

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                          • J Jim Crafton

                            This seems like utter lunacy, but: this [^] seems kind of nuts. Since when did Borland make a UML tool ??? Or any modeling tools ? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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                            JohnJ
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                            Just think, soon you might be able to install Microsoft Visual Studio C++ Builder .NET :omg: JohnJ :zzz::zzz:Sleep(28800000); :zzz::zzz: http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk[^]

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                            • J Jim Crafton

                              I used to love borland technology - hint much of the stuff in .NET, particularly C# and the WinForms stuff draws it's heritage from Delphi. I HATED the way they went about customer support as well as being utterly clueless in terms of effectively marketing a great product (IMHO). IF this story is true, and frankly the reporting seems truly incompetent - since when is Oracle a separate environment, as in: " in non-Microsoft environments, such as those offered by Oracle Corp" WTF ??? Isn't this kind of iffy legally - wouldn't they be buying up some of the last of the competition in Windows development tools? Maybe not. Oh well, it all just a big joke anyways ! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!

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                              Zathrus
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                              Oracle had JDeveloper, which, once upon a time used to be JBuilder. They liscenced the code and continued developing their own fork.

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