Warning: Are you a freelancer
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
abhishektara wrote:
If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing
Are you trying to frighten others away with your message so you will get all the big potatoes yourself? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
abhishektara wrote:
Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
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abhishektara wrote:
If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing
Are you trying to frighten others away with your message so you will get all the big potatoes yourself? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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abhishektara wrote:
If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing
Are you trying to frighten others away with your message so you will get all the big potatoes yourself? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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abhishektara wrote:
If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing
Are you trying to frighten others away with your message so you will get all the big potatoes yourself? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
1. know what the project parameter are, and how much time and effort you will actually need to complete it.(and offcourse factor in your o0wn profit margins) 2. In Writings: get the client signature on said parameters. 3. should the client decline to sign a written contract stating those variables. DO NOT TAKE THE JOB! following these 3 rules has ensured both my reputation and a steady stream of respectable projects for me to work on .
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
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I tried this freelance thing and the project kept expanding then i ran away
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
the project kept expanding then i ran away
Really great. If you accept a project, you also have to accept the responsibility. You can't just run away. That sheds really bad light on all developers. Maybe you should have prepared a proper agreement with your client, that explicitely states, what your tasks are (technical specifications)?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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abhishektara wrote:
If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing
Are you trying to frighten others away with your message so you will get all the big potatoes yourself? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Thats funny, I am just bringing it your attention IT people are being paid lesser than a labourer on these freelance websites, please dont bid make it a habit to bid really low, have some respect for the profession
modified on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 8:23 AM
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5fingers wrote:
the project kept expanding then i ran away
Really great. If you accept a project, you also have to accept the responsibility. You can't just run away. That sheds really bad light on all developers. Maybe you should have prepared a proper agreement with your client, that explicitely states, what your tasks are (technical specifications)?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Thats funny, I am just bringing it your attention IT people are being paid lesser than a labourer on these freelance websites, please dont bid make it a habit to bid really low, have some respect for the profession
modified on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 8:23 AM
abhishektara wrote:
have some respect for the profession
I have. I have respect for every profession. If somebody doesn't want to pay for our prices, then they won't get our quality. Easy. Quality has its price (of course a bit of haggling is always okay).
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Nope, always run away! ...and better still if you can get the payment upfront :) How many different ways can you spell the job title 'Scammer'? I spell mine pee arr owe gee arr aye emm emm eee arr
I may or may not be responsible for my own actions
:)
musefan wrote:
I spell mine pee
infantile giggle: Heehee! You have pee in your job title! ;) My approach to facing problems is a little bit different. Please see my signature for more details. :-D
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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musefan wrote:
I spell mine pee
infantile giggle: Heehee! You have pee in your job title! ;) My approach to facing problems is a little bit different. Please see my signature for more details. :-D
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
You should split that into 2 posts, then I could give you the 2 5's you deserve
Smithers-Jones wrote:
Heehee! You have pee in your job title!
I also have pee in my blood... now only if I knew the opposite to bleeding I could finish the joke :doh:
I may or may not be responsible for my own actions
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
Actually, there are a few billion individuals living in slums, working in Internet Café's with a free version of Visual Studio willing to do the work For less than my morning coffee. Yet I still make a lot of bank. I must be doing something right.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
Hi Abhishektar-ji, "Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys." I really like that ! Yes, you're right, anybody can be an "instant" website designer, a GUI consultant, a graphic designer, an SEO specialist who will guarantee your Google rankings ... these days ... it's a "barrel of monkeys," I think, but in the long-run the old models of craftsmanship and standards, that used to apply, for example, in the pre "desktop publishing," and "pre-internet," times, for example: in the world of ink on paper ... those are turned topsy-turvy now ... they just don't work anymore: I don't think that means that new forms of standards of excellence will not develop in "novel" ways that perhaps people like me, put-out-to pasture technically :), can't imagine now. By the way, Gore Vidal said this, in his novel "Kalki:" "Christianity was never exactly a barrel of monkeys when it came to the here and now." I'm sure I don't need to tell you who Kalki is within Indian culture/religion, or how little of Indian culture/religion Gore Vidal understood. But, if the world will end in 2012, as the current crop of doomsday nutters are predicting, I would rather meet Kalki, than other alternative apocalypses. But, perhaps the "suckers who are born every minute" (P. J. Barnum) get what they deserve and you are damn lucky not to have clients who want it on the cheap. And, can't your portfolio can speak for itself ? I'd say blow off anyone who wants it cheap, give them links to on-line stuff that shows what you can do, and then charge them double when they come crawling back to you, stuck with some mess that some con-artist sold them. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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Actually, there are a few billion individuals living in slums, working in Internet Café's with a free version of Visual Studio willing to do the work For less than my morning coffee. Yet I still make a lot of bank. I must be doing something right.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
Yes, I think thats an ice breaker, in a study it was shown how freelance market place is causing billion of dollars. If you as an entrepreneur thinks that you will be able to get a good product developed by a team of freelancers than you are nothing short of being an idiot. Its high time we as a community should discourage online market place.
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Hey everyone I know its depressed economy but things are getting better, I am simply unhappy with price trend in freelance market space, people come there with huge requirement and tiny budget. something like we want a clone of a web site and budget will be 110$ max. Is this some kind of a joke going, any way some collage kid takes up the project give it a short can not complete it and vanish in middle way. Guru Mantra is If you throw peanuts you will get monkeys. This marketplace is way to unfair and volatile as well. You spend last 1 year or 2 reaching the top and one miser buyer, mr. Scrooge raise and arbitration gets his money back and leave you with tarnished reputation, you sit there helpless and thinking whats next. If you are targeting freelance market, stay away competition is not even worth competing, you will never find a buyer who will give you project any bigger that 5k and there are 100 zillions of collage grad who will snatch the project just having good Saturday. For case study, see 1. www.vworker.com 2. www.odesk.com 3. www.elance.com 4. www.guru.com Thanks for going through my random thought, please add up to it.
That's why I never bother with those sites. Most of the work I get comes from word-of-mouth from previous clients or friends in the industry. Even then there is an overall downward trend in the rates people are willing to pay lately, but I've managed to get along fine.