The Internet in India
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And People much pay more than what people pay in UK. I lived in UK and when i compare speed-price tradeoff, both are less in India. We pay roughly 15 pounds for 128 to 256 kbps and sometimes 512kbps. If we want 2 Mbps line, we pay more than 45 pounds. Leave rest the bulk of having unlimited internet and higher speeds. It goes exponential. Sadly, these huge profits aren't utilized in infrastructure.
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It was the same in the UK. We paid 40 quid for 512 10 or 12 years back. Heck, this was a business line back then! Competition is part of the key. If you have state or monoply controlled markets you are probably going to get shafted or suffer poor quality since there is little interest in improving the product or charging less.
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Never mind the internet and it's cost in India. It is obviously not expensive enough judging from Q&A. :) Also, last evening I was Bingling around looking at specs for various computer components and every time I searched for anything including the word 'price' (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk price") I got loads of hits which had "in India" appended (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk prices in India"). What's that all about?
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In most cases, the same product sold in India will not have the price of the product sold in the parent country, adjusted for currency conversion. For example, the iPad 2 base version costs $500 in the US, but costs Rs. 29,500 in India, which is much more than $500 converted to Rupees. It's true that there may be other excise duties and taxes that produce the difference in cost, but I wouldn't imagine taxes alone to cost 186 dollars extra. It's mostly due to a competition free market and lack of regulation. A pre configured dell that costs about 1000 in the US would probably cost the equivalent of 1500$ in India, if bought from dell India .
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Never mind the internet and it's cost in India. It is obviously not expensive enough judging from Q&A. :) Also, last evening I was Bingling around looking at specs for various computer components and every time I searched for anything including the word 'price' (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk price") I got loads of hits which had "in India" appended (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk prices in India"). What's that all about?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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Wow! 1 TB is a lot. Speaking of that, a FUP system is perfectly acceptable with a decent speed which is affordable and reasonable. For example, just by browsing with very minimal Youtube usage with an occasional download which doesn't even come near 300 to 500 MB let alone 1 GB files, the transfer limit exceeds the 8GB limit on my connection in less than 20 days. And I have to tell you that I don't use torrents at all in this period as well. The FUP limit offered is sort of sad along with the high price tag for a good speed.
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In most cases, the same product sold in India will not have the price of the product sold in the parent country, adjusted for currency conversion. For example, the iPad 2 base version costs $500 in the US, but costs Rs. 29,500 in India, which is much more than $500 converted to Rupees. It's true that there may be other excise duties and taxes that produce the difference in cost, but I wouldn't imagine taxes alone to cost 186 dollars extra. It's mostly due to a competition free market and lack of regulation. A pre configured dell that costs about 1000 in the US would probably cost the equivalent of 1500$ in India, if bought from dell India .
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
Things are similar, though not quite as bad in the UK. Most products (not just computer related) cost the dollar equivalent in GBP. A $1000 item will cost £1000, pretty much regardless of the exchange rate prevailing at the time. One notable exception to this is Adobe. Their products cost at least 1.5 times the dollar equivalent because, they say, of translation costs. Money grabbing tea-leaves I call them.
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My internet connection has a FUP. But it appears to have a different notion of what is fair - I've used nearly 1TB of bandwidth in some months and that was OK. They never mention any actual numbers that you shouldn't go over, and the only "punishment" they mention is a warning letter (which I never received).
1 TB? Of downloading? That's crazy. I could see that for a business, maybe a server (though that's outgoing traffic). I'm on AT&T U-Verse, 12mpbs, and they recently implemented 250GB caps. The page that lets you check your usage isn't up yet (last I checked), but 8GB a day is quite a bit... we use Netflix, but at most a couple hours a day so I'm quite sure I won't even come close to touching 250 GB. What's it take to use 32GB per day? Just curious. If I used 100% of my 12mbps 24/7 for a whole month, it would be "just" 4 TB. You sir, might have to cut back on the porn. ;) The only other thing I can think of would be wholesale piracy, but I'm sure no one on CP does that. This is of course all thinking in terms of today. I could easily see a day when online streaming "HD" is actually decent HD quality, and when live events are streamed online making TV obsolete, but the networks and studios are a long way from letting that happen (eventually they'll have no choice, but I think we're years away, which is why AT&T and everyone decided to go with caps now, when people won't mind).
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Well I have no idea about the current rate of currency conversion so I'll post it in my currency format for now. I pay nearly 900 rupees for that per month. :sigh: !
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Henry Minute wrote:
Bingling
Do you need more hint?! :-D PS: Joke icon because I know Bing isn't that bad. ;)
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Bingling = Bing + googling = generic term for searching t'Interwebs using more than one search engine.
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
By the way what speed do you use with a 25 GB limit?
I currently use a 4 Mbps connection.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I currently use a 4 Mbps connection.
Is it true 4 Mbps?
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5! Good Lounge Discussion.
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Thanks!
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The way businesses operate in India, they mostly only get into fair prices if the government steps in and changes the law. Even the cheap cell phone services were only due to the fact that the telecommunications ministry put in a policy and set guidelines for prices and other access terms. The same is true for internet as well. The telecommunications ministry defines what can be called "broadband" i.e. speeds of 2 Mbps or more, and also sets guidelines for the maximum that can be charged to the consumer.
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Unfortunately this is what is happening today. :(
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I'm in UK, pay around £20 a month plus about £10 a month line rental for my home ASDL connection and have a bandwidth cap of 20 GB a month. Annoyingly the cap got introduced just after I signed up and has a 12 month minimum contract but I think most other ISPs have a similar cap. I think it is pretty ridiculous - roughly 10 years ago I remember my friend complaining about a 30 GB/month soft cap that NTL introduced. That was back when 30 GB was quite a lot and I didn't understand why that was such a problem for him - but these days I hit 20 GB in a month frequently, just through general use and software updates etc and end up paying extra for the extra gigs. I've never looked into streaming internet TV services etc and won't until the cap issue is sorted.
Over here streaming internet TV services or such aren't that common and still we get unfair limits with very low speeds. Sad to hear that the caps came as soon as you signed up though. That's totally frustrating when you have a different idea as a new customer.
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1 TB? Of downloading? That's crazy. I could see that for a business, maybe a server (though that's outgoing traffic). I'm on AT&T U-Verse, 12mpbs, and they recently implemented 250GB caps. The page that lets you check your usage isn't up yet (last I checked), but 8GB a day is quite a bit... we use Netflix, but at most a couple hours a day so I'm quite sure I won't even come close to touching 250 GB. What's it take to use 32GB per day? Just curious. If I used 100% of my 12mbps 24/7 for a whole month, it would be "just" 4 TB. You sir, might have to cut back on the porn. ;) The only other thing I can think of would be wholesale piracy, but I'm sure no one on CP does that. This is of course all thinking in terms of today. I could easily see a day when online streaming "HD" is actually decent HD quality, and when live events are streamed online making TV obsolete, but the networks and studios are a long way from letting that happen (eventually they'll have no choice, but I think we're years away, which is why AT&T and everyone decided to go with caps now, when people won't mind).
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
It was mostly uploading (about 80%). Torrents, for TV series that don't air when I want to watch them. I suppose that's technically piracy, but watching TV is free as well.. edit: also my connection is exactly ten times as fast as yours (in the downstream direction anyway), so it's easier to use lots of bandwidth
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Bingling = Bing + googling = generic term for searching t'Interwebs using more than one search engine.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Henry Minute wrote:
generic term for searching t'Interwebs using more than one search engine.
I wasn't aware of that. The word isn't very common I guess. I Googled it and the first page doesn't show me any explanation. Anyways I will remember that now. :)
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Henry Minute wrote:
generic term for searching t'Interwebs using more than one search engine.
I wasn't aware of that. The word isn't very common I guess. I Googled it and the first page doesn't show me any explanation. Anyways I will remember that now. :)
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Ankurm/ wrote:
I wasn't aware of that. The word isn't very common I guess.
As far as I know, I invented it. :-D
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Well I have no idea about the current rate of currency conversion so I'll post it in my currency format for now. I pay nearly 900 rupees for that per month. :sigh: !
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Well I have no idea about the current rate of currency conversion so I'll post it in my currency format for now. I pay nearly 900 rupees for that per month. :sigh: !
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That's only $20[^] us. For comparison, my ISP offers me[^]: 1m/512k @ $27-35/mo (discounts if you also buy their TV or phone services) 5m/768k @ $40-51/mo 10/1m @ $50-61/mo 15/1.5 @ $55/mo (no TV discount offered) They don't have any explicit caps and didn't care when I was using ~75GB/mo on the 2nd tier. I'm currently on the highest, but after stomping a misbehaving program my bandwidth usage is only 40-50GB/mo. In the us $20 will typically only buy dialup. X| edit: I have no trouble sustaining >95% of rated speed on long up/downloads.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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It was mostly uploading (about 80%). Torrents, for TV series that don't air when I want to watch them. I suppose that's technically piracy, but watching TV is free as well.. edit: also my connection is exactly ten times as fast as yours (in the downstream direction anyway), so it's easier to use lots of bandwidth
David1987 wrote:
edit: also my connection is exactly ten times as fast as yours (in the downstream direction anyway), so it's easier to use lots of bandwidth
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get (even TV -- off air, dish and cable -- are nowhere near that yet). My upstream is only 1.5mbps, which I only notice as inconvenient when backing up a ton via carbonite. AT&T hasn't said anything about upload caps, maybe it's included in the 250GB, but I don't think so. Before I had a DVR I used torrents as my DVR too; I really fail to see the difference. One is technically illegal, but I don't watch commercials in either case. In fact even for live sports these days I'll usually pause it for a while and do something else so I can skip the commercials. Actually with AT&T u-verse it's all over IP anyway (the TV and voice), 12mbps is what's allocated for internet. I'm not sure what the TV uses, though I'm curious. It goes through a regular switch I have behind my TV, I could measure it easy enough.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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Ankurm/ wrote:
I wasn't aware of that. The word isn't very common I guess.
As far as I know, I invented it. :-D
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
What do you guys think?
I think it sucks :) Here in Arkhangelsk (North European Russia) unlimited 128 kbps ADSL appeared around 4-5 years ago. There were higher speeds but 128 was 15 euro/month, cheap as dirt compared to other ISP that used cables with 2Mbps at 10 cent/Mb (it had no competitors at that time, and you had to choose between dial-up and those robbers). The good thing is that the speed is now 30 timer higher, and the price hasn't changed at all. And in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg, Internet connections are much faster and cheaper then here.