The Internet in India
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Ankurm/ wrote:
I wasn't aware of that. The word isn't very common I guess.
As far as I know, I invented it. :-D
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I currently use a 4 Mbps connection.
Is it true 4 Mbps?
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Yes, it is a true 4Mbps connection.
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Well I have no idea about the current rate of currency conversion so I'll post it in my currency format for now. I pay nearly 900 rupees for that per month. :sigh: !
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Actually, exchange rates are pretty much irrelevant. Usually, anyway. Sure, it would be nice to know how many euros 900 rupees is (fyi its around EUR 14 or USD 20), but since your income is in rupees, what really matters is how much 900 rupees is in relation to your income. Or, if you'd like, how hard is it for a local to afford that. For example, I pay EUR 47,50 for my 3play service and while it may seem expensive if you compare with what you pay, I can easely afford it. Because 47,50 is a lot less than 900. That's what you have to compare.
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I'm in UK, pay around £20 a month plus about £10 a month line rental for my home ASDL connection and have a bandwidth cap of 20 GB a month. Annoyingly the cap got introduced just after I signed up and has a 12 month minimum contract but I think most other ISPs have a similar cap. I think it is pretty ridiculous - roughly 10 years ago I remember my friend complaining about a 30 GB/month soft cap that NTL introduced. That was back when 30 GB was quite a lot and I didn't understand why that was such a problem for him - but these days I hit 20 GB in a month frequently, just through general use and software updates etc and end up paying extra for the extra gigs. I've never looked into streaming internet TV services etc and won't until the cap issue is sorted.
Dave Parker wrote:
I'm in UK, pay around £20 a month plus about £10 a month line rental for my home ASDL connection and have a bandwidth cap of 20 GB a month. Annoyingly the cap got introduced just after I signed up and has a 12 month minimum contract but I think most other ISPs have a similar cap.
You should try Dalek Dave's UK, his has better internet.
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David1987 wrote:
edit: also my connection is exactly ten times as fast as yours (in the downstream direction anyway), so it's easier to use lots of bandwidth
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get (even TV -- off air, dish and cable -- are nowhere near that yet). My upstream is only 1.5mbps, which I only notice as inconvenient when backing up a ton via carbonite. AT&T hasn't said anything about upload caps, maybe it's included in the 250GB, but I don't think so. Before I had a DVR I used torrents as my DVR too; I really fail to see the difference. One is technically illegal, but I don't watch commercials in either case. In fact even for live sports these days I'll usually pause it for a while and do something else so I can skip the commercials. Actually with AT&T u-verse it's all over IP anyway (the TV and voice), 12mbps is what's allocated for internet. I'm not sure what the TV uses, though I'm curious. It goes through a regular switch I have behind my TV, I could measure it easy enough.
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The connection was just 20mbps/3mbps at first, then it went up to 50/5, then 80/10, then finally 120/10 - all free upgrades :) It would have been fine with me if they had stopped at 80/10, those 40 extra mbits are rarely useful anyway. But it's still the same price, so I have no reason to complain. This is all over Cable, TV (analog + digital) and phone are included as well
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband.
Don't underestimate the cost of infrastructure verse the HUGE increase of internet usage in India (and most ex/still/soon to be developed countries), (I'd like to see the internet usage curve for the last 2, 3 years); Providers will implement FUP to have people who use a lot of internet pay (a small part) for infrastructure upgrade for the huge masses that does not exceed limits.
Nithin Sundar wrote:
The average person in India cannot afford
Isn't this the main issue ? why invest for infrastructure when there is no way to quickly get the money back? from what I remember from a quick visit to Mumbai about 10 years ago, the city was not prepared to have massive safe and secure investment in cable for just a few who "want" (not talking about commercial usage) high speed but cannot pay for it.
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I'm in UK, pay around £20 a month plus about £10 a month line rental for my home ASDL connection and have a bandwidth cap of 20 GB a month. Annoyingly the cap got introduced just after I signed up and has a 12 month minimum contract but I think most other ISPs have a similar cap. I think it is pretty ridiculous - roughly 10 years ago I remember my friend complaining about a 30 GB/month soft cap that NTL introduced. That was back when 30 GB was quite a lot and I didn't understand why that was such a problem for him - but these days I hit 20 GB in a month frequently, just through general use and software updates etc and end up paying extra for the extra gigs. I've never looked into streaming internet TV services etc and won't until the cap issue is sorted.
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Yes, it is a true 4Mbps connection.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
So when you download stuff do you actually get 512 KB/s ? Reason I ask is I've seen connections that say 1 Mbps but you usually get 1/2 or 1/4 that speed.
Regards, Nish
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
What do you guys think?
In think lots of things. I think things aren't as bad in Ireland as we thought. I think it makes sense now why I used to wait so long for offshore devs in India to turn stuff around. Reading my emails probably took you up to lunch time. I think we should all move to Nigeria. Judging by the amount of crap they spew onto the internet and into our mailboxes each day, those guys must have fibre optics inserted directly into their ass. -Richard
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Richard A. Dalton wrote:
I think we should all move to Nigeria. Judging by the amount of crap they spew onto the internet and into our mailboxes each day, those guys must have fibre optics inserted directly into their ass.
I'm picturing a bunch of guys walking around with FO cables coming out of their pants :-D
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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14-15 years ago, 256 speed started in India. And we are still plying on same speed? What man a 8 Mpbs connection speed, and 40 GB limit? Is there any comparison? And duhh.. you cross the limit and you'd get 256 Kbps - comparable? Check Internet speed reducing in India[^], which is just posted on Times Of India today! Many have said about infrastructure and other issues, but that's not the point. We do have both - infra and people! ISPs can facilitate higher speeds, but they limit! That's bad. Do I need to bay 17.2K per month to get 10mpbs unlimited? I cannot afford! And this ADSL isnt reliable at all - Internet would get disconnected, specially if I am not downloading/uploading any thing (a kind of ScreenSaver service running?).
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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I think it is still too cheap. I get way too many phone calls from India over crappy Skype connections. If the price gets higher maybe the calls will stop.
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So when you download stuff do you actually get 512 KB/s ? Reason I ask is I've seen connections that say 1 Mbps but you usually get 1/2 or 1/4 that speed.
Regards, Nish
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Depending on the server that I download from, the speed can vary from 400 to 512 or above. MSDN downloads usually happen at a speed of 512 or slightly more.
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David1987 wrote:
edit: also my connection is exactly ten times as fast as yours (in the downstream direction anyway), so it's easier to use lots of bandwidth
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get (even TV -- off air, dish and cable -- are nowhere near that yet). My upstream is only 1.5mbps, which I only notice as inconvenient when backing up a ton via carbonite. AT&T hasn't said anything about upload caps, maybe it's included in the 250GB, but I don't think so. Before I had a DVR I used torrents as my DVR too; I really fail to see the difference. One is technically illegal, but I don't watch commercials in either case. In fact even for live sports these days I'll usually pause it for a while and do something else so I can skip the commercials. Actually with AT&T u-verse it's all over IP anyway (the TV and voice), 12mbps is what's allocated for internet. I'm not sure what the TV uses, though I'm curious. It goes through a regular switch I have behind my TV, I could measure it easy enough.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
David Kentley wrote:
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise. I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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Depending on the server that I download from, the speed can vary from 400 to 512 or above. MSDN downloads usually happen at a speed of 512 or slightly more.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Cool, you have good service then. Cheap too (less than 2000). Are you in Bangalore btw?
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Cool, you have good service then. Cheap too (less than 2000). Are you in Bangalore btw?
Regards, Nish
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I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore. I have to tell that their service is really good. Usually nothing goes wrong, and if something does, they'll fix it on the same day or on the next day.
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I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore. I have to tell that their service is really good. Usually nothing goes wrong, and if something does, they'll fix it on the same day or on the next day.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore.
I think I pay around 65 bucks for 18 Mbps. INR 2900 (today's rates).
Regards, Nish
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore.
I think I pay around 65 bucks for 18 Mbps. INR 2900 (today's rates).
Regards, Nish
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But take a look at your cap limit. It would be something like 100 Gig, where as my downloads will be capped at 25 Gig! Which means, I'm paying much more for each MB of data transfer.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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But take a look at your cap limit. It would be something like 100 Gig, where as my downloads will be capped at 25 Gig! Which means, I'm paying much more for each MB of data transfer.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
But take a look at your cap limit. It would be something like 100 Gig, where as my downloads will be capped at 25 Gig! Which means, I'm paying much more for each MB of data transfer.
True. I barely use my bandwidth though except when I download a new beta of VS 2010 or SQL server. So the cap does not affect me. But if I sign up for something like Netflix or Hulu Plus, then yeah, I'll need to watch for that cap too.
Regards, Nish
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David Kentley wrote:
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise. I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Dan Neely wrote:
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise.
For full motion video you have to get very, very big before you can notice an improvement over high bitrate 1920x1080. The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy was done at 2K resolution, and I don't remember people complaining about it when they watched it on building sized screens.
Dan Neely wrote:
I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
There's a big difference between a largely static desktop computer display and full motion video. It's not about pixels, but getting the signal to the display. Blu-ray tops out at, what, 50mpbs? That's still leaps and bounds ahead of any other consumer video capability, streaming or otherwise. Of course it could be improved, especially in technical specs, but it'll be diminishing returns. The biggest improvement will be in frame rate. It's time we kicked 24fps (film) and 30fps (video) to the curb (which some are thankfully planning on, like James Cameron for Avatar 2 and I believe Peter Jackson for The Hobbit).
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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