The Internet in India
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Yes, it is a true 4Mbps connection.
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So when you download stuff do you actually get 512 KB/s ? Reason I ask is I've seen connections that say 1 Mbps but you usually get 1/2 or 1/4 that speed.
Regards, Nish
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
What do you guys think?
In think lots of things. I think things aren't as bad in Ireland as we thought. I think it makes sense now why I used to wait so long for offshore devs in India to turn stuff around. Reading my emails probably took you up to lunch time. I think we should all move to Nigeria. Judging by the amount of crap they spew onto the internet and into our mailboxes each day, those guys must have fibre optics inserted directly into their ass. -Richard
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Richard A. Dalton wrote:
I think we should all move to Nigeria. Judging by the amount of crap they spew onto the internet and into our mailboxes each day, those guys must have fibre optics inserted directly into their ass.
I'm picturing a bunch of guys walking around with FO cables coming out of their pants :-D
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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14-15 years ago, 256 speed started in India. And we are still plying on same speed? What man a 8 Mpbs connection speed, and 40 GB limit? Is there any comparison? And duhh.. you cross the limit and you'd get 256 Kbps - comparable? Check Internet speed reducing in India[^], which is just posted on Times Of India today! Many have said about infrastructure and other issues, but that's not the point. We do have both - infra and people! ISPs can facilitate higher speeds, but they limit! That's bad. Do I need to bay 17.2K per month to get 10mpbs unlimited? I cannot afford! And this ADSL isnt reliable at all - Internet would get disconnected, specially if I am not downloading/uploading any thing (a kind of ScreenSaver service running?).
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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I think it is still too cheap. I get way too many phone calls from India over crappy Skype connections. If the price gets higher maybe the calls will stop.
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So when you download stuff do you actually get 512 KB/s ? Reason I ask is I've seen connections that say 1 Mbps but you usually get 1/2 or 1/4 that speed.
Regards, Nish
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Depending on the server that I download from, the speed can vary from 400 to 512 or above. MSDN downloads usually happen at a speed of 512 or slightly more.
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David1987 wrote:
edit: also my connection is exactly ten times as fast as yours (in the downstream direction anyway), so it's easier to use lots of bandwidth
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get (even TV -- off air, dish and cable -- are nowhere near that yet). My upstream is only 1.5mbps, which I only notice as inconvenient when backing up a ton via carbonite. AT&T hasn't said anything about upload caps, maybe it's included in the 250GB, but I don't think so. Before I had a DVR I used torrents as my DVR too; I really fail to see the difference. One is technically illegal, but I don't watch commercials in either case. In fact even for live sports these days I'll usually pause it for a while and do something else so I can skip the commercials. Actually with AT&T u-verse it's all over IP anyway (the TV and voice), 12mbps is what's allocated for internet. I'm not sure what the TV uses, though I'm curious. It goes through a regular switch I have behind my TV, I could measure it easy enough.
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David Kentley wrote:
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise. I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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Depending on the server that I download from, the speed can vary from 400 to 512 or above. MSDN downloads usually happen at a speed of 512 or slightly more.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Cool, you have good service then. Cheap too (less than 2000). Are you in Bangalore btw?
Regards, Nish
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Cool, you have good service then. Cheap too (less than 2000). Are you in Bangalore btw?
Regards, Nish
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I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore. I have to tell that their service is really good. Usually nothing goes wrong, and if something does, they'll fix it on the same day or on the next day.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore. I have to tell that their service is really good. Usually nothing goes wrong, and if something does, they'll fix it on the same day or on the next day.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore.
I think I pay around 65 bucks for 18 Mbps. INR 2900 (today's rates).
Regards, Nish
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I won't call it exactly "cheap", because people in other countries are paying much lesser for per MB of data transfer. But I don't need to do a lot of data transfer, so it's OK. And yes, I'm in Bangalore.
I think I pay around 65 bucks for 18 Mbps. INR 2900 (today's rates).
Regards, Nish
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But take a look at your cap limit. It would be something like 100 Gig, where as my downloads will be capped at 25 Gig! Which means, I'm paying much more for each MB of data transfer.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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But take a look at your cap limit. It would be something like 100 Gig, where as my downloads will be capped at 25 Gig! Which means, I'm paying much more for each MB of data transfer.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
But take a look at your cap limit. It would be something like 100 Gig, where as my downloads will be capped at 25 Gig! Which means, I'm paying much more for each MB of data transfer.
True. I barely use my bandwidth though except when I download a new beta of VS 2010 or SQL server. So the cap does not affect me. But if I sign up for something like Netflix or Hulu Plus, then yeah, I'll need to watch for that cap too.
Regards, Nish
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David Kentley wrote:
Yow, that's fast. You already exceed what would be necessary for live Blu Ray quality streaming, which is when I figure it'll be as good as it needs to get
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise. I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Dan Neely wrote:
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise.
For full motion video you have to get very, very big before you can notice an improvement over high bitrate 1920x1080. The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy was done at 2K resolution, and I don't remember people complaining about it when they watched it on building sized screens.
Dan Neely wrote:
I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
There's a big difference between a largely static desktop computer display and full motion video. It's not about pixels, but getting the signal to the display. Blu-ray tops out at, what, 50mpbs? That's still leaps and bounds ahead of any other consumer video capability, streaming or otherwise. Of course it could be improved, especially in technical specs, but it'll be diminishing returns. The biggest improvement will be in frame rate. It's time we kicked 24fps (film) and 30fps (video) to the curb (which some are thankfully planning on, like James Cameron for Avatar 2 and I believe Peter Jackson for The Hobbit).
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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Quiturbitchin. It wasn't long ago that I spent long evenings chatting with Nish, and the best speed he could get in Trivandrum was 1 kbps. He still managed to out post every other CP member. India's come a long way; be grateful. :)
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Dan Neely wrote:
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise.
For full motion video you have to get very, very big before you can notice an improvement over high bitrate 1920x1080. The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy was done at 2K resolution, and I don't remember people complaining about it when they watched it on building sized screens.
Dan Neely wrote:
I can't understand why people thing a TV resolution comparable to what you could get with a CRT for $200 11 years ago is anything special.
There's a big difference between a largely static desktop computer display and full motion video. It's not about pixels, but getting the signal to the display. Blu-ray tops out at, what, 50mpbs? That's still leaps and bounds ahead of any other consumer video capability, streaming or otherwise. Of course it could be improved, especially in technical specs, but it'll be diminishing returns. The biggest improvement will be in frame rate. It's time we kicked 24fps (film) and 30fps (video) to the curb (which some are thankfully planning on, like James Cameron for Avatar 2 and I believe Peter Jackson for The Hobbit).
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
David Kentley wrote:
Dan Neely wrote:
My 2560x1600 monitor says otherwise.
For full motion video you have to get very, very big before you can notice an improvement over high bitrate 1920x1080. The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy was done at 2K resolution, and I don't remember people complaining about it when they watched it on building sized screens.
My 30" monitor with me sitting at my desk is larger in angular size (how much of my field of view it fills) than the screen at any non-imax theater I've been in unless you sit so far to the front that you give yourself neckstrain looking up because the screens so high.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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No wonder the QA poster does use any vowels, cut down on bandwidth....
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
What do you guys think?
I think it sucks :) Here in Arkhangelsk (North European Russia) unlimited 128 kbps ADSL appeared around 4-5 years ago. There were higher speeds but 128 was 15 euro/month, cheap as dirt compared to other ISP that used cables with 2Mbps at 10 cent/Mb (it had no competitors at that time, and you had to choose between dial-up and those robbers). The good thing is that the speed is now 30 timer higher, and the price hasn't changed at all. And in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg, Internet connections are much faster and cheaper then here.
That's nice. Hope we get a speed increase as well. :)
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband.
Don't underestimate the cost of infrastructure verse the HUGE increase of internet usage in India (and most ex/still/soon to be developed countries), (I'd like to see the internet usage curve for the last 2, 3 years); Providers will implement FUP to have people who use a lot of internet pay (a small part) for infrastructure upgrade for the huge masses that does not exceed limits.
Nithin Sundar wrote:
The average person in India cannot afford
Isn't this the main issue ? why invest for infrastructure when there is no way to quickly get the money back? from what I remember from a quick visit to Mumbai about 10 years ago, the city was not prepared to have massive safe and secure investment in cable for just a few who "want" (not talking about commercial usage) high speed but cannot pay for it.
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Well if we look at the years which actually were important in contributing to the rise of Internet in India, then I would have to say that after 2004 or 2005 the number of Internet users began increasing by a large margin to the number it has become today. We are okay with the FUP concept as long as we get good speeds at affordable rates. The problem here is not the infrastructure or anything. Speeds upto 16 mbps are already present here. But the current scenario in in the World is: at least 2mbps or above is common and in India, speeds of 256 kbps or so are the only "common" thing. And yeah I can agree with you when you spoke about the situation in Mumbai or so 10 years ago. But today, we have a large user base which warrants the needs to increase the speed. The FUP can stay since it is logical enough to prevent a misuse of bandwidth everytime.
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14-15 years ago, 256 speed started in India. And we are still plying on same speed? What man a 8 Mpbs connection speed, and 40 GB limit? Is there any comparison? And duhh.. you cross the limit and you'd get 256 Kbps - comparable? Check Internet speed reducing in India[^], which is just posted on Times Of India today! Many have said about infrastructure and other issues, but that's not the point. We do have both - infra and people! ISPs can facilitate higher speeds, but they limit! That's bad. Do I need to bay 17.2K per month to get 10mpbs unlimited? I cannot afford! And this ADSL isnt reliable at all - Internet would get disconnected, specially if I am not downloading/uploading any thing (a kind of ScreenSaver service running?).
Yeah it's very frustrating to see that despite us having many number of internet users, we are still stuck at the same old crappy speeds with the same rates we had nearly 4 to 5 years ago. :(
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I think it is still too cheap. I get way too many phone calls from India over crappy Skype connections. If the price gets higher maybe the calls will stop.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
crappy Skype connections
That should explain the quality of speed and Internet provided here. :D Please don't think it should rise higher! The prices are ridiculous as it is when you would expect something to change over a course/gap of nearly 5 years. :sigh:
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