No Muslims in the EU??
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Tim Smith wrote: Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? It's either some nut or the French:)
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. Also, the EU has been stalling Turkey's entry for decades, and Turkey's getting frustrated. Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... I have some other thoughts on why Turkey will move eastward -- if you're interested, email me directly. Chris _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
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I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. Also, the EU has been stalling Turkey's entry for decades, and Turkey's getting frustrated. Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... I have some other thoughts on why Turkey will move eastward -- if you're interested, email me directly. Chris _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Turkey is actually an interesting question. Remember that the AKP (A muslim party) is a moderate party and so far continues to respect the secular nature of Turkish government (though they did just change the law allowing Erdogan to run for prime minister--a mixed thing; the law prevented a convict from running for office, but his offense was reading a religious poem. I would rather have seen his conviction vacated and the law outlawing religious poem reading revoked.) Also remember that Turkey is a member of NATO since 1952 (and has been an associate member of the EEC/EU since 1963.) Yes, full membership has dragged on, but this is more due to Turkey's unwillingness to complie with the regulations required than of the EU simply refusing admitance. I suspect Turkey will obtain EU membership--it benefits both parties politically, but whether the EU bureaucrats will agree is the big unknown. Another unknown is Iran. All indictations are that it is shirking off its conservative religious leadership. If Iraq were to also return to its former secular, and very progressive, way of life, it WILL be in Turkey's advantage to align with those three (if only to solve the situation with the Kurds, but that they would abandon the EU and NATO is doubtful.)
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I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. Also, the EU has been stalling Turkey's entry for decades, and Turkey's getting frustrated. Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... I have some other thoughts on why Turkey will move eastward -- if you're interested, email me directly. Chris _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm aware that Turkey is not part of the EU and is very eager to join, but are they not already a member of NATO? Chris Meech "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002.
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? :~ Time to dig out that atlas metinks. :-O
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I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? :~ Time to dig out that atlas metinks. :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Yes, since 1354.. :beer:
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I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. Also, the EU has been stalling Turkey's entry for decades, and Turkey's getting frustrated. Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... I have some other thoughts on why Turkey will move eastward -- if you're interested, email me directly. Chris _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. It seems to be a moderate muslim party and many europeans countries are (or were) ruled by cristian (or catholic) parties for many years. The splitting between government and religion is one of the foundations of Ataturk's model of state. I see no risk of an islamization of turkey's society. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... Turkey is part of NATO, so moving to an alliance against NATO will be a very difficult diplomatic and political move. Turkey has strong relations with some countries of the EU (there are millions of turkish people living and working in Germany) and their relations with Greece are better than in the past. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. Also, the EU has been stalling Turkey's entry for decades, and Turkey's getting frustrated. Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... I have some other thoughts on why Turkey will move eastward -- if you're interested, email me directly. Chris _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams_
Chris Hambleton wrote: Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Never. Turkish army leaders are not stupid. Becoming ally of Arab nation is a fiction, no one sane will ever do it. At best, marriage of interests like US/Saudi relations. What Arab nation will it be? Syria - They almost clashed few years ago. Iraq - Depends what happens. Iran - Strong relations may change army's grip - wont allow. With Russia you need consider Chechnya. Turkey is Chechen stronghold. Warm ties wont be any time soon. Turkey will enhance its current friends - US, Israel, India.
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I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? :~ Time to dig out that atlas metinks. :-O
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I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? :~ Time to dig out that atlas metinks. :-O
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David Wulff wrote: I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? If Cyprus is Europe, than so is Turkey.
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Yes, since 1354.. :beer:
Well I learn't something new today. :-D
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? If I remember correctly, mr Giscard D'Estaing, former french presidend and currently presidend of the committee that should write a draft for the european costitution, said something about the fact that all the countries that compose the EU have "cristian roots" and cristian parties has (and still have) a role in the history of many of them (only the UK is a bit different from this point of view), and that the joining of a muslim country could be a problem. I don't understand his opinion and he was very happy to receive gifts from mr. Bokassa (former president of center-african republic), even if he was not exacly a good cristian... :) Right now some countries (Germany, Austria and Greece) didn't have a positive opionion about Turkey joining the EU, but I think that this is more for economical and political reasons (Greece and Turkey have bad relationship since the Turkish military intervention in Cyprus, another country that will join the EU soon). Turkey removed some of the problems that prevents his acceptance from the EU (mostly related to human rights), and they expressed some signs of good will (banning death penalty, giving to the kurdish people the right to speak and teach their own language) but that's not enough to fix a date for their joining. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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Turkey has to wait until 2004, after that nobody knows. Can you put link here about this sentence?
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Well I learn't something new today. :-D
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Tim Smith wrote: Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? It's either some nut or the French:)
4 or 5 millions of muslims live here, in France. If a french said that, it's a call to the civil war. I would rather bet for an angry turkish diplomat EU has still a muslim component, and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania. It's not really the point. EU is IMO more affraid of a country where the "republic" is guaranteed by the Army, where there are military operations against Kurd civilians/terrorists (make your choice), and where Human Rights are, at least, still abused.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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Yes, since 1354.. :beer:
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4 or 5 millions of muslims live here, in France. If a french said that, it's a call to the civil war. I would rather bet for an angry turkish diplomat EU has still a muslim component, and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania. It's not really the point. EU is IMO more affraid of a country where the "republic" is guaranteed by the Army, where there are military operations against Kurd civilians/terrorists (make your choice), and where Human Rights are, at least, still abused.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
KaЯl wrote: and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania EU will never accept Bosnia and Albania, IMHO. :beer:
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KaЯl wrote: and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania EU will never accept Bosnia and Albania, IMHO. :beer:
it will be probably very hard for albania. I think others balkan states will integrate EU as soon as they will have recover from the different wars. Do you think there's some progress on this point ?
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again