No Muslims in the EU??
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I didnt' hear this report, but the Muslim party has recently won the largest majority in Turkey's gov't in 15 years. Also, the EU has been stalling Turkey's entry for decades, and Turkey's getting frustrated. Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Russia and some of the Muslim countries (like Iran) already have some alliances to defend themselves against possible NATO 'aggression', and it seems likely that the issue with EU will cause Turkey to move to the Muslim/Russian alliances... I have some other thoughts on why Turkey will move eastward -- if you're interested, email me directly. Chris _"No one goes to hell because of their sin, but because of rejecting God's method of salvation: His Son's life for yours..."
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Chris Hambleton wrote: Sooner or later, Turkey's going to give up on the EU (or the EU will simply deny them outright), and Turkey will have to decide on who it's allies are/will be: the US & Israel, Russia, or some of the Muslim countries. I'm putting my $$$ that they'll align themselves with Russia and/or the other Muslim countries very soon. Never. Turkish army leaders are not stupid. Becoming ally of Arab nation is a fiction, no one sane will ever do it. At best, marriage of interests like US/Saudi relations. What Arab nation will it be? Syria - They almost clashed few years ago. Iraq - Depends what happens. Iran - Strong relations may change army's grip - wont allow. With Russia you need consider Chechnya. Turkey is Chechen stronghold. Warm ties wont be any time soon. Turkey will enhance its current friends - US, Israel, India.
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I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? :~ Time to dig out that atlas metinks. :-O
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I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? :~ Time to dig out that atlas metinks. :-O
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David Wulff wrote: I rally haven't been following this topic, but is Turkey even in Europe? If Cyprus is Europe, than so is Turkey.
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Yes, since 1354.. :beer:
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? If I remember correctly, mr Giscard D'Estaing, former french presidend and currently presidend of the committee that should write a draft for the european costitution, said something about the fact that all the countries that compose the EU have "cristian roots" and cristian parties has (and still have) a role in the history of many of them (only the UK is a bit different from this point of view), and that the joining of a muslim country could be a problem. I don't understand his opinion and he was very happy to receive gifts from mr. Bokassa (former president of center-african republic), even if he was not exacly a good cristian... :) Right now some countries (Germany, Austria and Greece) didn't have a positive opionion about Turkey joining the EU, but I think that this is more for economical and political reasons (Greece and Turkey have bad relationship since the Turkish military intervention in Cyprus, another country that will join the EU soon). Turkey removed some of the problems that prevents his acceptance from the EU (mostly related to human rights), and they expressed some signs of good will (banning death penalty, giving to the kurdish people the right to speak and teach their own language) but that's not enough to fix a date for their joining. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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Turkey has to wait until 2004, after that nobody knows. Can you put link here about this sentence?
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Well I learn't something new today. :-D
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Tim Smith wrote: Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? It's either some nut or the French:)
4 or 5 millions of muslims live here, in France. If a french said that, it's a call to the civil war. I would rather bet for an angry turkish diplomat EU has still a muslim component, and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania. It's not really the point. EU is IMO more affraid of a country where the "republic" is guaranteed by the Army, where there are military operations against Kurd civilians/terrorists (make your choice), and where Human Rights are, at least, still abused.
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Yes, since 1354.. :beer:
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4 or 5 millions of muslims live here, in France. If a french said that, it's a call to the civil war. I would rather bet for an angry turkish diplomat EU has still a muslim component, and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania. It's not really the point. EU is IMO more affraid of a country where the "republic" is guaranteed by the Army, where there are military operations against Kurd civilians/terrorists (make your choice), and where Human Rights are, at least, still abused.
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KaЯl wrote: and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania EU will never accept Bosnia and Albania, IMHO. :beer:
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KaЯl wrote: and it will grow when EU will accept in the future Bosnia and Albania EU will never accept Bosnia and Albania, IMHO. :beer:
it will be probably very hard for albania. I think others balkan states will integrate EU as soon as they will have recover from the different wars. Do you think there's some progress on this point ?
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it will be probably very hard for albania. I think others balkan states will integrate EU as soon as they will have recover from the different wars. Do you think there's some progress on this point ?
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KaЯl wrote: I think others balkan states will integrate EU as soon as they will have recover from the different wars When they recover, they will start another war. :(( :beer:
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I was sort of listening to the BBC news last night and during the broadcast about Turkey and the EU, they said someone made a statement such as "Muslims have no place in the EU". To say the least, I went WTF, but they didn't say who said it or anything else about the statement. So does anybody know anything about this? Was this an official talking or just some nut on the street? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
The underlying question is: "Turkey into the EU -yes or no". Sure they want in - but there's lots of both emotional and economical reasons to say no. Only (almost) noone does because it would be "politically incorrect". The only ones that open their mouth is the conservative religious corner, that considers the EU pretty much a christians club. We already have quite some Muslims in the EU, thank you.
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