Good-Bye Adobe
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
Got to the same conclusion for the very same reasons sometime last week, removed Adobe Reader, installed FoxIt instead. (I don't have MS Office either, so that wouldn't be an option) Unfortunately I still get the update warnings, because I still have Flash - now I'm considering removing that as well. Problem is there isn't really a replacement - if there's a flash video somewhere that I want to see I don't really have any other options :( Still, I'm this -><- close to taking the final step and bite the bullet. There ain't so many videos that I really *must* see to start with! And I don't like Flash-animations anyway...
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
MehGerbil wrote:
I apologize in advance for the following rant.
No apology necessary! Adobe deserves it. The other annoying part is that they ALWAYS put that stupid Adobe Reader icon on my desktop, without EVER asking if I want them to put it there. I have never once, in my whole life, launched Adobe reader from the desktop icon. We don't need your stinkin' icon! Is it so hard to ASK? :mad:
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IIRC Google offers a way to request the html5 version now from a desktop browser.
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Got to the same conclusion for the very same reasons sometime last week, removed Adobe Reader, installed FoxIt instead. (I don't have MS Office either, so that wouldn't be an option) Unfortunately I still get the update warnings, because I still have Flash - now I'm considering removing that as well. Problem is there isn't really a replacement - if there's a flash video somewhere that I want to see I don't really have any other options :( Still, I'm this -><- close to taking the final step and bite the bullet. There ain't so many videos that I really *must* see to start with! And I don't like Flash-animations anyway...
The sad part about all of this is that the fix for Adobe is very simple. 1: Drop the stupid license nonsense. 2: Only publish updates once per month (or less). 3: Publish updates silently. While they are at it they should drop the price on every single product they own to about $49.00 per copy. They still think this is 1995 when Word Perfect would fetch $399.00 a copy.
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
I hate Adobe more than you!!! :P My computers are virus free, *cough*, Adobe free!
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
Welcome to the club. I got there a couple of months back when I saw one of the Adobe updaters pulling down some McAfee product. Without asking first. I immediately killed the update and uninstall all Adobe products. I don't use McAfee products because I use another vendor's anti-virus products. I'm using SumatraPDF now, but it was a difficult choice between several open source and freeware PDF readers. I've since reinstalled Flash. But I use a flash blocker in Firefox so I only see the movies if I want to.
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
Don't forget the Adobe DLM - because there's no way we can be expected to download and run an installer for Flash, is there? It's much better to force us to download and install a crappy download manager add-on, restart the browser, acknowledge the UAC prompt, let the DLM download and install Flash, and then restart the browser again. :mad: And then there's the Adobe Reader Speed Launcher, which gets added to the startup programs on every update. Because we only ever use our computers to read PDF documents, right?! Yes, Adobe, it is still the 90s, and we are all a bunch of technically-illiterate n00b grandmothers who can't be trusted to manage our own computers. Thank you for reminding us how pathetic we all are. X|
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
Totally agree with this rant. The past two mornings, I have been annoyed with installing Flash updates. The real PITA about their updates, as you have noted, is the license agreement...if I remember correctly, it takes no less than 5 mouse clicks to get through the update. This really get annoying to me since I have no less than 8 different windows systems in my home office. Hate the desktop icon that keeps coming back too.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
So glad someone has expressed this frustration. Well I always delete the Acrobat Reader icon that gets plonked on my desktop whenever Acrobat decides to update itself (very often). I have never opened Acrobat Reader using the icon in order that I might look at a PDF. It's always done from e-mail, a web page link or the file system. I think the concept is know as "file association". Why on earth do they have to have that thing on my desktop. It boggles the mind that no-one at Adobe is prepared to thump the table at the next committee meeting (surely these are decisions of a committee....) and put an end to this nonsense. Yeah - you got the right idea. It's time to stop using Adobe products.
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The sad part about all of this is that the fix for Adobe is very simple. 1: Drop the stupid license nonsense. 2: Only publish updates once per month (or less). 3: Publish updates silently. While they are at it they should drop the price on every single product they own to about $49.00 per copy. They still think this is 1995 when Word Perfect would fetch $399.00 a copy.
Agreed - for all I know the license doesn't change anyway, so it's utterly pointless to bother people with it. And once that is gone there's no reason to not do it silently.
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There are definitely some people at Adobe who have a hard time grasping reality. Here is my own favorite example: I was doing some research on the issue of WPF versus WinForms a few months ago, and I stumbled upon this: http://www.thejoyofcode.com/10_reasons_you_should_consider_WPF_for_your_next_desktop_application.aspx[^] Near the top of the page, there is a matrix comparing various "desktop UI" platforms. WPF and WinForms are in there, along with some technologies that are really pretty different, like DirectX, Media Player, and PDF. I don't really see how these technologies all belong on the same axis; I guess the author was trying to be really, really general and think outside of the proverbial box. In the "PDF" column, the author put an "X" at the "Fixed Format Documents" row, and nowhere else. This seems pretty logical to me. PDFs are for fixed-format documents. Again, I'm not sure why this matrix has a "PDF" column... but it does, and "Fixed Format Documents" seems like a pretty fair description of what PDFs are good for (to the extent that they are even good for that; that's another debate). Well, some bigwig at Adobe took offense at the way this grid omits all of the other (cough, cough) great capabilities of the PDF format. Check out the comments beneath the grid... look for "I would like to point out that the column for PDF in that table is completely inaccurate." I'm not sure what this person is attempting to accomplish... I have never, ever looked at a requirements document and said anything like "well, we could use WinForms for this, or WPF, or Adobe PDF." (And even if I did, I seriously doubt PDF would be my eventual selection for such a project.) Incidentally, no one seems to have changed the article or responded in any way to the Adobe bigwig's comments.
modified on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:20 PM
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
Are you agreeing to update? There have been 5 Flash Player updates in 4 months, and 3 updates for Adobe Reader, so unless you are not updating, "forcing" the update announce to re-appear, the maths are failing for me and am not able to see how you are seeing updates "on nearly a daily basis" :P. If you are not updating, when the announce appears and do not want to be notified of that update, there is a check to disable notificaciones for that particular update. Also, the update check interval can be configured or disabled at all if it bothers you. Anyway, yeah, the update process should be improved (luckily it's not like the Java update checker), although I think MS should somehow let other vendors distribute patches through Windows Update too.
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So glad someone has expressed this frustration. Well I always delete the Acrobat Reader icon that gets plonked on my desktop whenever Acrobat decides to update itself (very often). I have never opened Acrobat Reader using the icon in order that I might look at a PDF. It's always done from e-mail, a web page link or the file system. I think the concept is know as "file association". Why on earth do they have to have that thing on my desktop. It boggles the mind that no-one at Adobe is prepared to thump the table at the next committee meeting (surely these are decisions of a committee....) and put an end to this nonsense. Yeah - you got the right idea. It's time to stop using Adobe products.
Same here, always deleting that damn Acrobat Reader icon from my desktop.
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Don't forget the Adobe DLM - because there's no way we can be expected to download and run an installer for Flash, is there? It's much better to force us to download and install a crappy download manager add-on, restart the browser, acknowledge the UAC prompt, let the DLM download and install Flash, and then restart the browser again. :mad: And then there's the Adobe Reader Speed Launcher, which gets added to the startup programs on every update. Because we only ever use our computers to read PDF documents, right?! Yes, Adobe, it is still the 90s, and we are all a bunch of technically-illiterate n00b grandmothers who can't be trusted to manage our own computers. Thank you for reminding us how pathetic we all are. X|
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Uhm... installer for Flash... like these ones? http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_ax.exe[^] http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player.exe[^] :P. I've never seen (or at least I don't recall seeing) that Adobe Reader Speed Launcher, maybe it is optional? Or maybe it comes with just some specific versions of the application.
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
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Uhm... installer for Flash... like these ones? http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_ax.exe[^] http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player.exe[^] :P. I've never seen (or at least I don't recall seeing) that Adobe Reader Speed Launcher, maybe it is optional? Or maybe it comes with just some specific versions of the application.
Yes, exactly like those ones! :) But if you don't know the direct links, there's no way to find them from the Adobe site. The "Download Flash" link will prompt you to install the Adobe DLM instead.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Yes, exactly like those ones! :) But if you don't know the direct links, there's no way to find them from the Adobe site. The "Download Flash" link will prompt you to install the Adobe DLM instead.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Yeah, although the installers can be accessed from that same page. Most people, if not all, will agree that the links are a bit hidden tho. They can also be downloaded from the Archived Versions page, although the archives contain all the different player versions: debug, release, Mac, Windows... so they are a bit of a hassle.
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I apologize in advance for the following rant. Sorry guys, I simply have lost my cool over the constant Adobe update nonsense. Every freakin' time I turn on my computer I have to jump through the same stupid set of hoops to update Flash and Adobe Reader. If it happened infrequently that would be one thing but I've got to run through this stupid ritual on nearly a daily basis. I don't want or need your permission to use my computer. The part that kills me is accepting the license agreement. I'm pretty sure that license agreement means absolutely NOTHING. What if one guy installed the original on the machine and each subsequent update was authorized by a different user of the system? Yeah, it is just that meaningless. Someone needs to get a hold of Adobe Systems and let them know that this is no longer 1999 so the whole Adobe System superiority nonsense can go die in a fire. I can generate .PDF documents from Word now (or any other number of tools) and I can read those documents using any number of free .PDF readers that don't give me the same bloated, redundant, ivory tower shake down three times a week. Adobe, run your updates in the background and skip the license thing - implement this NOW. FUN TIP: Steve Jobs might be on to something as 15 million iPad users don't need you. You guys are about this close || to being nothing but a memory on the trash heap of computing history so hassling casual users is a really BAD PLAN. Part of this is that I well remember the obscene cost of your tools - the snobbery - the superiority - it still comes through with stupid updates and extra clicks for bogus license agreements, all because as a company you've yet to realize that you're fading fast. I'll be glad when you are all gone. You're still stuck in the '90s but are no longer a part of my hard drive. Hopefully your archaic stone age company will be gone soon. Losers.
Bravo!
