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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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    well I can't speak for the others, but I came here purely for the Theakston's old Peculiar. (I do believe that a shipload or two did land at one point around Putney in London, but were so horrified by the paucity of real ale, that they upped and left)

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    • R R Giskard Reventlov

      So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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      rah_sin
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      In search of aliens as we will be aliens for them.

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      • 8 88Rocker

        To invade USA and bring peace on Earth.

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        R Giskard Reventlov
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        You really want to start that here? You should take a long hard look at your own country before trying to blame others for your own shortcomings, abject failures and prejudices.

        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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        • R R Giskard Reventlov

          You really want to start that here? You should take a long hard look at your own country before trying to blame others for your own shortcomings, abject failures and prejudices.

          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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          hahaha, forget it, you people are just mind washed by your media. its USA which keep on destroying every other country's peace. where ever USA go there is no peace.

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          • R R Giskard Reventlov

            So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

            "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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            I was standing watching a tropical storm the other day and wondered what an alien who had never seen clouds before would think of the huge thunderheads I was watching. I figure it would scare the crap out of anyone without experience of clouds!

            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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            • 8 88Rocker

              hahaha, forget it, you people are just mind washed by your media. its USA which keep on destroying every other country's peace. where ever USA go there is no peace.

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              If you're going to get into a topic like this, please take it out of the lounge as it will only start a flamewar.

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                hahaha, forget it, you people are just mind washed by your media. its USA which keep on destroying every other country's peace. where ever USA go there is no peace.

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                R Giskard Reventlov
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                You're actually reacting to your own blind prejudices and patent lack of knowledge. You live in one of the most backward countries in the world that is, in part, funded by the west (the west gives you money for schools, amongst other things, so that your people can be educated) and you rail against them? Talk about biting the hand that feeds. Anyway, if you're happy in the 14th century you're welcome to it - you wouldn't like it here anyway, far too much freedom.

                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                  So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  Why did humans travel to different countries / continents? Or for that matter, what would be our reason for visiting other planets? Looking for somewhere better to live / exploit. And in the same way first contact is likely to be with an explorer rather than an invasion fleet. Either that or Douglas Adams will have it right, and the we'll effectively become the Alien Australia, receiving a space ship full of undesirables from somewhere smart enough to get rid of them.

                  Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                    So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                    Teasers... To insult us... To make way for a hyperspace bypass... The usual. Oh, and because Earth girls are easy.

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                    • R R Giskard Reventlov

                      You're actually reacting to your own blind prejudices and patent lack of knowledge. You live in one of the most backward countries in the world that is, in part, funded by the west (the west gives you money for schools, amongst other things, so that your people can be educated) and you rail against them? Talk about biting the hand that feeds. Anyway, if you're happy in the 14th century you're welcome to it - you wouldn't like it here anyway, far too much freedom.

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      digital man wrote:

                      You're actually reacting to your own blind prejudices [...]

                      and off you go doing the same. Bad DM!


                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)

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                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                        You're actually reacting to your own blind prejudices and patent lack of knowledge. You live in one of the most backward countries in the world that is, in part, funded by the west (the west gives you money for schools, amongst other things, so that your people can be educated) and you rail against them? Talk about biting the hand that feeds. Anyway, if you're happy in the 14th century you're welcome to it - you wouldn't like it here anyway, far too much freedom.

                        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                        digital man wrote:

                        (the west gives you money for schools, amongst other things, so that your people can be educated)

                        ...because the bloke who sells the stuff to them has a mate in the British Government. But the effect is much the same.

                        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                          Our country is invaded by aliens on a daily basis, they are called Zimbabweans, Somalians, Nigerians, Congolese and whatever other unstable african nation.:mad::mad::mad:

                          Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!

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                            hahaha, forget it, you people are just mind washed by your media. its USA which keep on destroying every other country's peace. where ever USA go there is no peace.

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                            waqas316 wrote:

                            you people are just mind washed by your media.
                            its USA which keep on destroying every other country's peace.
                            where ever USA go there is no peace.

                            Holy Moly dude, I've seen skating on thin ice, but you've taken it to new levels. Bravo. I lived in the US for a year and a half, and visited many other times. Seems like a pretty peaceful place to me. It has it's share of nutters, but I never had any trouble. Germany has a considerable US military presence, seems pretty peaceful to me, despite it's ...shall we say..questionable past. On the other hand, I wouldn't dream of visiting your country. Tell yourself that your problems are all someone else's fault if it helps you get through the day, but you guys got issues. Any explaination for what this has to do with the USA? -Richard

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                            • R R Giskard Reventlov

                              So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                              "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                              Fallacy: Single Entity Presumption When talking about a huge entity, be it "Unilever corporation", "the US", or "the aliens", it is tempting but ultimately misleading to assume they are a single entity. Rather, they are a balance of sub-entities with their own goals desires and plans, often conflicting. Plausible scenario: the leading Gagh-fgha party has until now ignored interplanetary issues, but since elections are pending, they'll campaign to allow harvesting and import of humanoid tissue for key industries (as requested by the food & pr0n conglomerate). This pretty much shoots down the "would already have happened" argument. Besides the discovering us, running out of other resources, or a different binding to what we call "time".

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                              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                Pre-emptive strike to ensure their position as the dominant species in the galaxy/universe. It may take several hundred million years, but eventually all resources will run out as the population of advanced civilizations spread across the galaxy/universe, so it only makes sense to exterminate us while we're still an underdeveloped biological species, rather than allow possible future competition. In fact, the reason that we're still alive only means that (in order or likeliness): a) Practical interstellar travel is technically impossible. b) They haven't found us yet. c) They have discovered us, but realized that we're going to be extinct, or never will be able to evolve for some reason. d) They have discovered us, but are so different in their way of thinking that they actually don't wish to do us any harm.

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                                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                  So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                  digital man wrote:

                                  So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be?

                                  Tourists? :)

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                                    digital man wrote:

                                    You're actually reacting to your own blind prejudices [...]

                                    and off you go doing the same. Bad DM!


                                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)

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                                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                                    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                                    and off you go doing the same. Bad DM!

                                    How so? Have not been rude or prejudiced.

                                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                      Fallacy: Single Entity Presumption When talking about a huge entity, be it "Unilever corporation", "the US", or "the aliens", it is tempting but ultimately misleading to assume they are a single entity. Rather, they are a balance of sub-entities with their own goals desires and plans, often conflicting. Plausible scenario: the leading Gagh-fgha party has until now ignored interplanetary issues, but since elections are pending, they'll campaign to allow harvesting and import of humanoid tissue for key industries (as requested by the food & pr0n conglomerate). This pretty much shoots down the "would already have happened" argument. Besides the discovering us, running out of other resources, or a different binding to what we call "time".

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                                      Everybody knows that all advanced civilizations are communist... With "elections" and "a free market" everybody is going to be too busy playing "World of Fgha Pl#@" and having debates about whether the Ptluminists are allowed to walk around in public places with their genitals painted blue.

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                                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                        So I watched this[^] over the last few days (was broadcast last week 20th must be a repeat). Anyway, I was struck by how completely dumb it was: the only reason they could come up with that aliens would want to invade was to strip the planet of plant and animal life. Plus, it was pretty much like independence day mixed with war of the worlds (bacteria can work both ways). So, it got me thinking: why would aliens come here and what would their intentions be? 1: Simple explorers - mean us no harm - sorry for causing any trouble, first contact, blah, blah. 2: We need planets for our people (if aliens existed and were here we'd already be dead if that were the case). 3: They're hungry. (same as 2). Anyone care to add any other plausible reasons why aliens would care to come here/invade us? It can't be for raw materials; easier to get those from uninhabited planets/asteroids and they wouldn't want us as slave labour - if they were advanced enough to get here they'd have robots to do their grunt work and robots don't need food and don't fight back. Sorry, I have no idea why I even think of this nonsense. :)

                                        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                        Throughout human history, what has been the result when a technologically more advanced civilization "explores" and comes across a less technologically advanced civilization? Anyway, I think it was Mr. Hawking who proposed the idea that, a society that is advanced enough explore and find us and conquer us would probably not exist as they would have ended themselves before becoming advanced enough to reach us. Meaning, only a peaceful society could make it, as a civilization, to the advanced technological level to visit us. I could be wrongly attributing this idea to him though.

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                                          Everybody knows that all advanced civilizations are communist... With "elections" and "a free market" everybody is going to be too busy playing "World of Fgha Pl#@" and having debates about whether the Ptluminists are allowed to walk around in public places with their genitals painted blue.

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                                          What makes you think there's no food&pr0n in communism?

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