Why Visual Studio 2010 Sucks Tonight [modified]
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Why does Visual Studio 2010 have to hang up all of the time? Says it's waiting for an internal process, or something like that, to complete. Of course the internal process never finishes and I have to kill Visual Studio. Is it really worth it to do .NET development for a living? Maybe I should switch to Ruby on Rails or Django and use vi. How can Microsoft changes thousands of USD for such crappy software. Do they use it for their internal .NET development? :mad:
modified on Friday, May 20, 2011 10:29 PM
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Why does Visual Studio 2010 have to hang up all of the time? Says it's waiting for an internal process, or something like that, to complete. Of course the internal process never finishes and I have to kill Visual Studio. Is it really worth it to do .NET development for a living? Maybe I should switch to Ruby on Rails or Django and use vi. How can Microsoft changes thousands of USD for such crappy software. Do they use it for their internal .NET development? :mad:
modified on Friday, May 20, 2011 10:29 PM
There sure are problems with Visual Studio, especially VS2010; however if vi is all you need, you don't have to switch languages, you can do .NET development with vi and without Visual Studio. The necessary tools (compilers, and others) are part of .NET, not of Visual Studio itself. Example: the C# compiler (csc.exe) can be found under C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on a typical system. :)
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There sure are problems with Visual Studio, especially VS2010; however if vi is all you need, you don't have to switch languages, you can do .NET development with vi and without Visual Studio. The necessary tools (compilers, and others) are part of .NET, not of Visual Studio itself. Example: the C# compiler (csc.exe) can be found under C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on a typical system. :)
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
Very true. I've thought about doing what you say. Though I couldn't ever imagine doing C# and .NET development without intellisense and some of the other features in Visual Studio. However, Rails developers talk about how Rails is so easy and clean that they don't need intellisense to write code.
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Very true. I've thought about doing what you say. Though I couldn't ever imagine doing C# and .NET development without intellisense and some of the other features in Visual Studio. However, Rails developers talk about how Rails is so easy and clean that they don't need intellisense to write code.
rwinte wrote:
Rails developers talk about how Rails is so easy and clean that they don't need intellisense to write code
Then I doubt the Rails library is very expansive.
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Very true. I've thought about doing what you say. Though I couldn't ever imagine doing C# and .NET development without intellisense and some of the other features in Visual Studio. However, Rails developers talk about how Rails is so easy and clean that they don't need intellisense to write code.
If you can't do without the tool then why bitch about it.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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If you can't do without the tool then why bitch about it.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Hey now, let's not say things we can't take back. Anybody who doesn't bitch or at least want to bitch about Visual Studio isn't using it right. :rolleyes:
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Hey now, let's not say things we can't take back. Anybody who doesn't bitch or at least want to bitch about Visual Studio isn't using it right. :rolleyes:
Can't take it back? There is a delete button right :-D
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Why does Visual Studio 2010 have to hang up all of the time? Says it's waiting for an internal process, or something like that, to complete. Of course the internal process never finishes and I have to kill Visual Studio. Is it really worth it to do .NET development for a living? Maybe I should switch to Ruby on Rails or Django and use vi. How can Microsoft changes thousands of USD for such crappy software. Do they use it for their internal .NET development? :mad:
modified on Friday, May 20, 2011 10:29 PM
Do they use it internally? Yes, they do. In fact when VS 6 was being developed I remember having a conversation with one of the developers who described them using the version that was built the previous day to develop with that day.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Why does Visual Studio 2010 have to hang up all of the time? Says it's waiting for an internal process, or something like that, to complete. Of course the internal process never finishes and I have to kill Visual Studio. Is it really worth it to do .NET development for a living? Maybe I should switch to Ruby on Rails or Django and use vi. How can Microsoft changes thousands of USD for such crappy software. Do they use it for their internal .NET development? :mad:
modified on Friday, May 20, 2011 10:29 PM
You don't have to give up .net just because VS doesn't like you. Try Notepad.
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Why does Visual Studio 2010 have to hang up all of the time? Says it's waiting for an internal process, or something like that, to complete. Of course the internal process never finishes and I have to kill Visual Studio. Is it really worth it to do .NET development for a living? Maybe I should switch to Ruby on Rails or Django and use vi. How can Microsoft changes thousands of USD for such crappy software. Do they use it for their internal .NET development? :mad:
modified on Friday, May 20, 2011 10:29 PM
There do appear to be a number of ways to make VS2010 unstable - using it for example - but it's not too bad, and some of the features are pretty useful. However, I haven't made the switch from VS2008 (which is pretty stable) because I am not that happy with the 2010 version. It may settle down after a few service packs. Go back to VS2008 - it works!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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There sure are problems with Visual Studio, especially VS2010; however if vi is all you need, you don't have to switch languages, you can do .NET development with vi and without Visual Studio. The necessary tools (compilers, and others) are part of .NET, not of Visual Studio itself. Example: the C# compiler (csc.exe) can be found under C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on a typical system. :)
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
Good points, Oh Wise One. The languages aren't difficult, but the Framework certainly is, and IntelliSense sure comes in handy when you're playing with new constructs that aren't well documented. A Master of Frameworks could easily get by with ED. But I've been meaning to ask - Are there any good books that go into depth about the .Net Framework? I've been through several C# programming books, and each illustrates only a few dozen items, and only those features that are most commonly used. Years ago (circa VS97), Microsoft published the MFC Library ( 4 books, which I still have) which covered, in detail, every object available. Is there anything close available for the .Net Framework?
Will Rogers never met me.
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Good points, Oh Wise One. The languages aren't difficult, but the Framework certainly is, and IntelliSense sure comes in handy when you're playing with new constructs that aren't well documented. A Master of Frameworks could easily get by with ED. But I've been meaning to ask - Are there any good books that go into depth about the .Net Framework? I've been through several C# programming books, and each illustrates only a few dozen items, and only those features that are most commonly used. Years ago (circa VS97), Microsoft published the MFC Library ( 4 books, which I still have) which covered, in detail, every object available. Is there anything close available for the .Net Framework?
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
Are there any good books that go into depth about the .Net Framework?
I don't know, I studied a couple of books on the .NET languages, the one non-language oriented I bought years ago was "Programming Microsoft .NET" by Jeff Prosise; I'm not sure I got that much out of it though, reading MSDN magazine from front to back for many years has been most useful to me. :)
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Why does Visual Studio 2010 have to hang up all of the time? Says it's waiting for an internal process, or something like that, to complete. Of course the internal process never finishes and I have to kill Visual Studio. Is it really worth it to do .NET development for a living? Maybe I should switch to Ruby on Rails or Django and use vi. How can Microsoft changes thousands of USD for such crappy software. Do they use it for their internal .NET development? :mad:
modified on Friday, May 20, 2011 10:29 PM
VS2010 blue screened for me about 4 times a day on the one project I used it on. I tried to start a project with it, but it froze so often, I went back to 2008.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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VS2010 blue screened for me about 4 times a day on the one project I used it on. I tried to start a project with it, but it froze so often, I went back to 2008.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I feel so left out. I have never experienced the issues that every keeps complaining about. Sure VS has crashed a couple of times but I tracked it done to a bad 3rd party extension. For me it has been very stable.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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I feel so left out. I have never experienced the issues that every keeps complaining about. Sure VS has crashed a couple of times but I tracked it done to a bad 3rd party extension. For me it has been very stable.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Yeah. The only problem/bad performance I've had was when the temp/backup files were set to be on a network drive. Made them local and all's right with the world.
Never give aversion therapy to a masochist. The results are unpredictable. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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I feel so left out. I have never experienced the issues that every keeps complaining about. Sure VS has crashed a couple of times but I tracked it done to a bad 3rd party extension. For me it has been very stable.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Here Here.... To my mind it's more likely to be down to the user rather than the app itself, or of course that old chestnut of extensions and add-ins...
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
