Japan's plan for The DeathStar v1.0
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Wouldn't it be easier to just build a pile of nuclear reactors up there? On the moon they should be safe from tsunamis or terrorists or whatever people complain about for the Earth bound ones. Or, are we worried about giving the moon cancer? Reactors could even be built only on the dark side so the moon wouldn't look like a pokeymon ball.
Been there, done that (sort of)[^]. (it wasn't a good idea, BTW)
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Luna Ring[^] Shimizu Corporation construction firm’s research branch, CSP, unveiled a long-term planning project to install a belt of photovoltaic panels across the surface of the Moon. Power gathered from the 13,000 terrawatts of continuous solar energy the Moon’s surface receives daily would be beamed back to an Earth-based receiving station via microwave or laser transmission, where it would then be used to power public offices, hospitals and schools across the globe. A staff of remotely controlled robots would be in constant rotation to make repairs and provide maintenance for the LUNA RING installation, though the structure would require some human personnel on-site. To make the process more efficient, the proposed plan includes building the LUNA RING’s solar panels on the lunar surface using local materials, rather than launching pre-built panels to the site. Quoted from here.[^] I guess it makes sense, they're ruled by an emperor. I just didn't realize it was The Emperor.
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
It looks like the Tsunami has had a psychological effect as well. They're taking "drastic" steps to generate clean power safely after the nuclear plant explosions. Quite a dumb plan, I must add. :omg:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Luna Ring[^] Shimizu Corporation construction firm’s research branch, CSP, unveiled a long-term planning project to install a belt of photovoltaic panels across the surface of the Moon. Power gathered from the 13,000 terrawatts of continuous solar energy the Moon’s surface receives daily would be beamed back to an Earth-based receiving station via microwave or laser transmission, where it would then be used to power public offices, hospitals and schools across the globe. A staff of remotely controlled robots would be in constant rotation to make repairs and provide maintenance for the LUNA RING installation, though the structure would require some human personnel on-site. To make the process more efficient, the proposed plan includes building the LUNA RING’s solar panels on the lunar surface using local materials, rather than launching pre-built panels to the site. Quoted from here.[^] I guess it makes sense, they're ruled by an emperor. I just didn't realize it was The Emperor.
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
Sounds like a remake of Real Genius[^], but set in Japan.
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Dont know who the sad 1 voter is, I thought that was quite funny. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Thanks. And I did it again. The text is all in German. Sorry for that, but sometimes I just switch between languages without really noticing. The picture is from Saturn's moon Mimas and because of the large crater it's gotten the nickname Death Star.
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Luna Ring[^] Shimizu Corporation construction firm’s research branch, CSP, unveiled a long-term planning project to install a belt of photovoltaic panels across the surface of the Moon. Power gathered from the 13,000 terrawatts of continuous solar energy the Moon’s surface receives daily would be beamed back to an Earth-based receiving station via microwave or laser transmission, where it would then be used to power public offices, hospitals and schools across the globe. A staff of remotely controlled robots would be in constant rotation to make repairs and provide maintenance for the LUNA RING installation, though the structure would require some human personnel on-site. To make the process more efficient, the proposed plan includes building the LUNA RING’s solar panels on the lunar surface using local materials, rather than launching pre-built panels to the site. Quoted from here.[^] I guess it makes sense, they're ruled by an emperor. I just didn't realize it was The Emperor.
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
Excellent! Now we are actually approaching the third Era according to Isaac Asimov :-D 4th will come when we start harvesting complex star systems! I'd just like to remember where I read that...one of the Foundation novels I think...
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--either way, you are right." — Henry Ford
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Luna Ring[^] Shimizu Corporation construction firm’s research branch, CSP, unveiled a long-term planning project to install a belt of photovoltaic panels across the surface of the Moon. Power gathered from the 13,000 terrawatts of continuous solar energy the Moon’s surface receives daily would be beamed back to an Earth-based receiving station via microwave or laser transmission, where it would then be used to power public offices, hospitals and schools across the globe. A staff of remotely controlled robots would be in constant rotation to make repairs and provide maintenance for the LUNA RING installation, though the structure would require some human personnel on-site. To make the process more efficient, the proposed plan includes building the LUNA RING’s solar panels on the lunar surface using local materials, rather than launching pre-built panels to the site. Quoted from here.[^] I guess it makes sense, they're ruled by an emperor. I just didn't realize it was The Emperor.
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
Wait - they already used this in an anime (Gundam 00). Only difference is that the ring was around the Earth, and the energy transferred via orbital elevators. Can't these guys come up with something original? Personally, I'm looking forward to a Cthulhu-powered underwater energy source.
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Luna Ring[^] Shimizu Corporation construction firm’s research branch, CSP, unveiled a long-term planning project to install a belt of photovoltaic panels across the surface of the Moon. Power gathered from the 13,000 terrawatts of continuous solar energy the Moon’s surface receives daily would be beamed back to an Earth-based receiving station via microwave or laser transmission, where it would then be used to power public offices, hospitals and schools across the globe. A staff of remotely controlled robots would be in constant rotation to make repairs and provide maintenance for the LUNA RING installation, though the structure would require some human personnel on-site. To make the process more efficient, the proposed plan includes building the LUNA RING’s solar panels on the lunar surface using local materials, rather than launching pre-built panels to the site. Quoted from here.[^] I guess it makes sense, they're ruled by an emperor. I just didn't realize it was The Emperor.
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
Yet another technology with that step in the middle "magic happens"
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That's not a death star. This[^] is a death star!
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Then what about my christmas present from 1979?[^]
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That's a fairly inaccurate representation. Even at geosynchronous orbit, the footprint of any plausible size microwave transmitter would be measured in square miles, not city blocks. The effects would be more plausible for a laser type transmission system, except that we'll never see one built; precisely because it would be an orbital death ray.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
would be an orbital death ray star ftfy... ;)
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Been there, done that (sort of)[^]. (it wasn't a good idea, BTW)
Software Zen:
delete this;Never heard of that TV series. Looks interesting. Thanks for mentioning, have a 5. :thumbsup:
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Thanks. And I did it again. The text is all in German. Sorry for that, but sometimes I just switch between languages without really noticing. The picture is from Saturn's moon Mimas and because of the large crater it's gotten the nickname Death Star.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011CDP1802 wrote:
The text is all in German.
And thats worth a one vote is it? What a miserable bunch of Anglophiles they are here! I always quite liked German, wanted to learn it as a kid, never got a good enough chance, plus I am crap at languages, French is about as far as I got and I havent a choice since I live there. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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CDP1802 wrote:
The text is all in German.
And thats worth a one vote is it? What a miserable bunch of Anglophiles they are here! I always quite liked German, wanted to learn it as a kid, never got a good enough chance, plus I am crap at languages, French is about as far as I got and I havent a choice since I live there. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
When you have people from all over the world you have no choice but to select one language that provides the best common ground for everyone. Too bad we will not get to see what consequences this has in a hundred years. English emerged out of the need of some Anglons, Saxons, Danes, Celts and later Normans (actually coming from France) who somehow had to talk to each other. Now people from all over the world use English for the same purpose and that will also have consequences. What we have here is only the beginning.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011 -
When you have people from all over the world you have no choice but to select one language that provides the best common ground for everyone. Too bad we will not get to see what consequences this has in a hundred years. English emerged out of the need of some Anglons, Saxons, Danes, Celts and later Normans (actually coming from France) who somehow had to talk to each other. Now people from all over the world use English for the same purpose and that will also have consequences. What we have here is only the beginning.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011CDP1802 wrote:
When you have people from all over the world you have no choice but to select one language that provides the best common ground for everyone.
Yeah, but to down vote someone for posting in their langauge is zenophobic. :)
CDP1802 wrote:
English emerged out of the need of some Anglons, Saxons, Danes, Celts and later Normans
Angeln, where the Angles came from, is actually in Denmark (the south). I guess they spke a langage closer to Old Saxon than Old Norse. But there is precius little Celtic in English, possibly a gramatical form, but almost no words. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004037.html[^] This kind of makes sense. There werent that many Saxons invading Britain to take over completely, and aparently genetically most of us are descnded from Celtic stock rather than Germanic. So it could be the ability of the Celtic language to adopt foreign words, and in the Case of English, to the point of having replaced almost all their own, that we arrive at English as it is, whcih is what the article hints at.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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CDP1802 wrote:
When you have people from all over the world you have no choice but to select one language that provides the best common ground for everyone.
Yeah, but to down vote someone for posting in their langauge is zenophobic. :)
CDP1802 wrote:
English emerged out of the need of some Anglons, Saxons, Danes, Celts and later Normans
Angeln, where the Angles came from, is actually in Denmark (the south). I guess they spke a langage closer to Old Saxon than Old Norse. But there is precius little Celtic in English, possibly a gramatical form, but almost no words. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004037.html[^] This kind of makes sense. There werent that many Saxons invading Britain to take over completely, and aparently genetically most of us are descnded from Celtic stock rather than Germanic. So it could be the ability of the Celtic language to adopt foreign words, and in the Case of English, to the point of having replaced almost all their own, that we arrive at English as it is, whcih is what the article hints at.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
If I'm not mistaken, it was a certain Julius Cesar who simply declared the people on one side of the Rhine to be Celts and those on the other side to be Germans. And then he moved on to conquer Brittania. We only know little of who they considered themselves to be, how they were related and how much this mattered to them at all. It certainly was not as simple as drawing some line on a map. Besides that, the city where I come from started out as a Roman garrison to secure the road against barbarian raids. So I can just guess what kind of people I would get to see if my ancestors of the last 2000 years would line up. Then again, probably everybody would be surprised who his ancestors were. Also, it does not matter if you write 'Anglon' or 'Angeln', 'Saxons' or 'Sachsen'. Those are just modern spellings for names from a time where no such rules existed. And we can't even say for sure which spelling comes closer to the original pronounciation of those names. A loss, but such things were researched long after the last people who actually spoke those languages in that form had died. Anyway, all I wanted to say is that this role of English as common ground for all kinds of people appears to continue.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011 -
If I'm not mistaken, it was a certain Julius Cesar who simply declared the people on one side of the Rhine to be Celts and those on the other side to be Germans. And then he moved on to conquer Brittania. We only know little of who they considered themselves to be, how they were related and how much this mattered to them at all. It certainly was not as simple as drawing some line on a map. Besides that, the city where I come from started out as a Roman garrison to secure the road against barbarian raids. So I can just guess what kind of people I would get to see if my ancestors of the last 2000 years would line up. Then again, probably everybody would be surprised who his ancestors were. Also, it does not matter if you write 'Anglon' or 'Angeln', 'Saxons' or 'Sachsen'. Those are just modern spellings for names from a time where no such rules existed. And we can't even say for sure which spelling comes closer to the original pronounciation of those names. A loss, but such things were researched long after the last people who actually spoke those languages in that form had died. Anyway, all I wanted to say is that this role of English as common ground for all kinds of people appears to continue.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011CDP1802 wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, it was a certain Julius Cesar who simply declared the people on one side of the Rhine to be Celts and those on the other side to be Germans
But there was a langauge difference, no?
CDP1802 wrote:
Besides that, the city where I come from
Trier?
CDP1802 wrote:
Also, it does not matter if you write 'Anglon' or 'Angeln', 'Saxons' or 'Sachsen'.
True, but I only called it Angeln because thats what we call that part of Denmark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angeln[^] Its an interesting language, English. How such a bastardised mess should become the worlds number one is perverse to the point of laughable. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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CDP1802 wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, it was a certain Julius Cesar who simply declared the people on one side of the Rhine to be Celts and those on the other side to be Germans
But there was a langauge difference, no?
CDP1802 wrote:
Besides that, the city where I come from
Trier?
CDP1802 wrote:
Also, it does not matter if you write 'Anglon' or 'Angeln', 'Saxons' or 'Sachsen'.
True, but I only called it Angeln because thats what we call that part of Denmark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angeln[^] Its an interesting language, English. How such a bastardised mess should become the worlds number one is perverse to the point of laughable. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
No. Castrum Juliacum. Jülich. There were language and cultural differences, but probably they were very gradual, from village to village and tribe to tribe. It just depended on who they had as neighbors and who they were friends or enemies with.
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Dan Neely wrote:
except that we'll never see one built; precisely because it would be an orbital death ray.
So I guess you also think, we will never see sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' heads? :)
Dan Neely wrote:
a laser type transmission system
My double-fold tinfoil hat will protect me and reflect the laser beam into space. Where is the tin-foil hat emoticon when you need one?
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Been there, done that (sort of)[^]. (it wasn't a good idea, BTW)
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Wouldn't it be easier to just build a pile of nuclear reactors up there? On the moon they should be safe from tsunamis or terrorists or whatever people complain about for the Earth bound ones. Or, are we worried about giving the moon cancer? Reactors could even be built only on the dark side so the moon wouldn't look like a pokeymon ball.
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Yeah, but that's still a major undertaking - you have to mine the uranium ore, build the refinery, refine it, build the power station, cart off the "used" fuel, bury it somewhere so people aren't walking into it every time they turn around. Ok, so you still have to do some of this with a moon-based solar power receiver, but at least you can start small and build it up as you go. But, the power is free once you have built it, and with no moving parts it should be very reliable - meteorites aside.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
Ummm . . . The amount of specialized fissile material required for a reactor is negligible compared to the amount of specialized materials required to build enough photovoltaic cells to generate the same power. While it might be prohibitive to ship that many photovoltaic cells to the moon, it would be easy to ship enough fuel for a nuclear reactor. And I don't think it would be very difficult to find a suitable location for nuclear waste on the moon.
