sourcesafe replacements
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02Shaun Wilde wrote: I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution. I've been using PVCS[^], and it will support this. ver. 7.5 now includes .NET IDE support, too. The main PVCS sort of sucks(Java), but the plug-in to run through VS is usable. BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
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Shaun Wilde wrote: I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution. I've been using PVCS[^], and it will support this. ver. 7.5 now includes .NET IDE support, too. The main PVCS sort of sucks(Java), but the plug-in to run through VS is usable. BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
sheesh that's a lot of money. It might be too much for me. I've requested a trial version but it seems I'll have to talk to a salesman before that'll happen - arrghhhh - why I ain't suddenly going to spend millions - I know what I want so all they'll be doing is waste my time and theirs.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02You could try subversion http://subversion.tigris.org[^]. Its free, and the tigris lot don't seem quite as 'real ale' as some OSS mobs. Ryan. Computers allow you to make more mistakes than any other invention, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
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You could try subversion http://subversion.tigris.org[^]. Its free, and the tigris lot don't seem quite as 'real ale' as some OSS mobs. Ryan. Computers allow you to make more mistakes than any other invention, with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
what's the platform it looks like Linux/Unix required [edit] nope found windows source [/edit]
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02shaun- Whats your budget ? I use CVS (after an initial reaction similar to yours). It simply is the best value for money and it works ! Dont use WinCVS, instead try to use the command line directly or write scripts. If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. vivek
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shaun- Whats your budget ? I use CVS (after an initial reaction similar to yours). It simply is the best value for money and it works ! Dont use WinCVS, instead try to use the command line directly or write scripts. If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. vivek
Vivek Rajan wrote: Whats your budget ? £500 max and it had better drive me to work as well :)
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02Check this one out. http://www.qumasoft.com/[^] I've been playing with the trial version a little bit. It looks to be pretty good and really cheap ($25 for standard version and $40 for pro version).
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Check this one out. http://www.qumasoft.com/[^] I've been playing with the trial version a little bit. It looks to be pretty good and really cheap ($25 for standard version and $40 for pro version).
Thanks to you I'm looking at this as well. Don't know why I don't use SourceSafe that came with VS.NET, oh yeah, its big, unwieldly, and seems like overkill for a one man shop. I'm eager to try out this program :) Just d/l'ed the trial version. Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda
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Check this one out. http://www.qumasoft.com/[^] I've been playing with the trial version a little bit. It looks to be pretty good and really cheap ($25 for standard version and $40 for pro version).
looks interesting - who does it deal with branching - eg what sort of visualisation tools Clearcases was excellent the one with WinCVS was not bad but it didn't seem to show the branching properly
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Thanks to you I'm looking at this as well. Don't know why I don't use SourceSafe that came with VS.NET, oh yeah, its big, unwieldly, and seems like overkill for a one man shop. I'm eager to try out this program :) Just d/l'ed the trial version. Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda
a review would be good - I'm not going to have time to look into this tonight - tomorrow will be download time
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02as an additional what really irks me is that it is next to imposssible to find any prices on these sites for these products (some exceptions) - so I have to talk to a salesman and I hate salesman I really really ate salesman - there is only one lifeform lower than them and they are job-agents.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
a review would be good - I'm not going to have time to look into this tonight - tomorrow will be download time
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02Let me see what I can do along the lines of a review. I'm still trying to get my simple tutorial on ATL, ActiveX using VS.NET up :) But I'll see what I can do. Here is how pressed I am for time. I d/l it about 30minutes to an hour ago and I haven't unzipped or installed it yet :) The FAQ page and product comparison they had on site was pretty informative, though :) Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02We (8 devel. company) now run CVS-NT server + ViewCVS web interface on a build server. On the client machine we use the plain old command line in conjunction with Tortoise CVS. If you want an intuive CVS interface; use Tortoise! It's brilliant.(http://www.tortoisecvs.org/). You can also try the jalindi dll for Visual Studio 6 and 7. I've been looking at the tigris subversion (subversion.tigris.org) thing and though it looks really clean and neat, it's still in version 0.15 and lacking the massive amount of tools and documentation on CVS. Looks promising however. regards, Gertjan Schuurmans Amsterdam The Netherlands
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We (8 devel. company) now run CVS-NT server + ViewCVS web interface on a build server. On the client machine we use the plain old command line in conjunction with Tortoise CVS. If you want an intuive CVS interface; use Tortoise! It's brilliant.(http://www.tortoisecvs.org/). You can also try the jalindi dll for Visual Studio 6 and 7. I've been looking at the tigris subversion (subversion.tigris.org) thing and though it looks really clean and neat, it's still in version 0.15 and lacking the massive amount of tools and documentation on CVS. Looks promising however. regards, Gertjan Schuurmans Amsterdam The Netherlands
Have you tried www.freevcs.de? Made for Delphi but we use it with out commercial VC dev work. It's free, and works very well without being intrusive. Cheers, James.
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Have you tried www.freevcs.de? Made for Delphi but we use it with out commercial VC dev work. It's free, and works very well without being intrusive. Cheers, James.
It's written in Delphi, isn't it? -> that's always good thing :) My (personal) point of concern is that freevcs stores its data in a RDBMS (at least from what i understand after a quick look at the site). It's what i like most about CVS -> you'll always have a comprehensible, restorable filesystem structure backing your sources. regards Gertjan
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shaun- Whats your budget ? I use CVS (after an initial reaction similar to yours). It simply is the best value for money and it works ! Dont use WinCVS, instead try to use the command line directly or write scripts. If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. vivek
Vivek Rajan wrote: If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. :wtf: Clearcase? Simply the worst! :beer:
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02After a couple years of MS Source Safe on the job - and having tried various others in my spare time - we recently moved 6 developers over to Team Coherence[^] from QSC. Some points worth mentioning: - the client is very nice, with quite a bit of polish; - integration with VS.NET is solid through support of the SCC API; - support has been astounding thus far (though we haven't really needed "support" - just asking various questions); - performance working remotely over VPN/broad-band has been great (software uses TCP/IP); - they have a "Tracker" add-in for bug/feature tracking (we bought it and love it), as well as a "Builder" add-in for automating build routines (didn't buy this one); - the price is extremely reasonable; (single-developer can get started for only $99) I've been planning to put a review together, as I've been quite impressed with the product and the company as a whole and wanted to do whatever I could to get more people looking at their offerings. Hopefully it'll be ready sometime this week. Ryan LaNeve www.laneve.com
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02I use Perforce for personal use and have used Perforce (http://www.perforce.com/) in my workplace before. By far, it's my favorite system. Even today, with Perforce's free 2-user license, I have the distinct pleasure of working with the system at home. I only wish their "Open Source" license didn't require signing contracts, as I have repositories I'd like to make public. Anyway, it supports the multiple branches concept you desire just fine. While I think BitKeeper's branched merging "feels" more powerful, I've rarely required anything more than what Perforce provides. If you find time to try it out, I'd be happy to give a tutorial. Josh
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After a couple years of MS Source Safe on the job - and having tried various others in my spare time - we recently moved 6 developers over to Team Coherence[^] from QSC. Some points worth mentioning: - the client is very nice, with quite a bit of polish; - integration with VS.NET is solid through support of the SCC API; - support has been astounding thus far (though we haven't really needed "support" - just asking various questions); - performance working remotely over VPN/broad-band has been great (software uses TCP/IP); - they have a "Tracker" add-in for bug/feature tracking (we bought it and love it), as well as a "Builder" add-in for automating build routines (didn't buy this one); - the price is extremely reasonable; (single-developer can get started for only $99) I've been planning to put a review together, as I've been quite impressed with the product and the company as a whole and wanted to do whatever I could to get more people looking at their offerings. Hopefully it'll be ready sometime this week. Ryan LaNeve www.laneve.com
A review would be very helpful. At my last company, we were looking very seriously at StarTeam, but as the company fell apart and the engineering staff went from 25 down to 8 and now 3 (me not being one of them) the cost became prohibitive; however this may have been perfect. (Note: the company only has one legal client of SourceSafe and at one time had developers in Utah, New Jersey and Israel. Needless to say, a sure way to corrupt SourceSafe is doing checkins with a slow connection. And they still have no real bug tracking sytem.)