sourcesafe replacements
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shaun- Whats your budget ? I use CVS (after an initial reaction similar to yours). It simply is the best value for money and it works ! Dont use WinCVS, instead try to use the command line directly or write scripts. If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. vivek
Vivek Rajan wrote: Whats your budget ? £500 max and it had better drive me to work as well :)
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02Check this one out. http://www.qumasoft.com/[^] I've been playing with the trial version a little bit. It looks to be pretty good and really cheap ($25 for standard version and $40 for pro version).
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Check this one out. http://www.qumasoft.com/[^] I've been playing with the trial version a little bit. It looks to be pretty good and really cheap ($25 for standard version and $40 for pro version).
Thanks to you I'm looking at this as well. Don't know why I don't use SourceSafe that came with VS.NET, oh yeah, its big, unwieldly, and seems like overkill for a one man shop. I'm eager to try out this program :) Just d/l'ed the trial version. Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda
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Check this one out. http://www.qumasoft.com/[^] I've been playing with the trial version a little bit. It looks to be pretty good and really cheap ($25 for standard version and $40 for pro version).
looks interesting - who does it deal with branching - eg what sort of visualisation tools Clearcases was excellent the one with WinCVS was not bad but it didn't seem to show the branching properly
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Thanks to you I'm looking at this as well. Don't know why I don't use SourceSafe that came with VS.NET, oh yeah, its big, unwieldly, and seems like overkill for a one man shop. I'm eager to try out this program :) Just d/l'ed the trial version. Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda
a review would be good - I'm not going to have time to look into this tonight - tomorrow will be download time
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02as an additional what really irks me is that it is next to imposssible to find any prices on these sites for these products (some exceptions) - so I have to talk to a salesman and I hate salesman I really really ate salesman - there is only one lifeform lower than them and they are job-agents.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02 -
a review would be good - I'm not going to have time to look into this tonight - tomorrow will be download time
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02Let me see what I can do along the lines of a review. I'm still trying to get my simple tutorial on ATL, ActiveX using VS.NET up :) But I'll see what I can do. Here is how pressed I am for time. I d/l it about 30minutes to an hour ago and I haven't unzipped or installed it yet :) The FAQ page and product comparison they had on site was pretty informative, though :) Code4Food ---- "There is no try; only do or do not" -Yoda
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02We (8 devel. company) now run CVS-NT server + ViewCVS web interface on a build server. On the client machine we use the plain old command line in conjunction with Tortoise CVS. If you want an intuive CVS interface; use Tortoise! It's brilliant.(http://www.tortoisecvs.org/). You can also try the jalindi dll for Visual Studio 6 and 7. I've been looking at the tigris subversion (subversion.tigris.org) thing and though it looks really clean and neat, it's still in version 0.15 and lacking the massive amount of tools and documentation on CVS. Looks promising however. regards, Gertjan Schuurmans Amsterdam The Netherlands
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We (8 devel. company) now run CVS-NT server + ViewCVS web interface on a build server. On the client machine we use the plain old command line in conjunction with Tortoise CVS. If you want an intuive CVS interface; use Tortoise! It's brilliant.(http://www.tortoisecvs.org/). You can also try the jalindi dll for Visual Studio 6 and 7. I've been looking at the tigris subversion (subversion.tigris.org) thing and though it looks really clean and neat, it's still in version 0.15 and lacking the massive amount of tools and documentation on CVS. Looks promising however. regards, Gertjan Schuurmans Amsterdam The Netherlands
Have you tried www.freevcs.de? Made for Delphi but we use it with out commercial VC dev work. It's free, and works very well without being intrusive. Cheers, James.
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Have you tried www.freevcs.de? Made for Delphi but we use it with out commercial VC dev work. It's free, and works very well without being intrusive. Cheers, James.
It's written in Delphi, isn't it? -> that's always good thing :) My (personal) point of concern is that freevcs stores its data in a RDBMS (at least from what i understand after a quick look at the site). It's what i like most about CVS -> you'll always have a comprehensible, restorable filesystem structure backing your sources. regards Gertjan
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shaun- Whats your budget ? I use CVS (after an initial reaction similar to yours). It simply is the best value for money and it works ! Dont use WinCVS, instead try to use the command line directly or write scripts. If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. vivek
Vivek Rajan wrote: If you have good money to spend, Clearcase seems to be the best. :wtf: Clearcase? Simply the worst! :beer:
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02After a couple years of MS Source Safe on the job - and having tried various others in my spare time - we recently moved 6 developers over to Team Coherence[^] from QSC. Some points worth mentioning: - the client is very nice, with quite a bit of polish; - integration with VS.NET is solid through support of the SCC API; - support has been astounding thus far (though we haven't really needed "support" - just asking various questions); - performance working remotely over VPN/broad-band has been great (software uses TCP/IP); - they have a "Tracker" add-in for bug/feature tracking (we bought it and love it), as well as a "Builder" add-in for automating build routines (didn't buy this one); - the price is extremely reasonable; (single-developer can get started for only $99) I've been planning to put a review together, as I've been quite impressed with the product and the company as a whole and wanted to do whatever I could to get more people looking at their offerings. Hopefully it'll be ready sometime this week. Ryan LaNeve www.laneve.com
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02I use Perforce for personal use and have used Perforce (http://www.perforce.com/) in my workplace before. By far, it's my favorite system. Even today, with Perforce's free 2-user license, I have the distinct pleasure of working with the system at home. I only wish their "Open Source" license didn't require signing contracts, as I have repositories I'd like to make public. Anyway, it supports the multiple branches concept you desire just fine. While I think BitKeeper's branched merging "feels" more powerful, I've rarely required anything more than what Perforce provides. If you find time to try it out, I'd be happy to give a tutorial. Josh
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After a couple years of MS Source Safe on the job - and having tried various others in my spare time - we recently moved 6 developers over to Team Coherence[^] from QSC. Some points worth mentioning: - the client is very nice, with quite a bit of polish; - integration with VS.NET is solid through support of the SCC API; - support has been astounding thus far (though we haven't really needed "support" - just asking various questions); - performance working remotely over VPN/broad-band has been great (software uses TCP/IP); - they have a "Tracker" add-in for bug/feature tracking (we bought it and love it), as well as a "Builder" add-in for automating build routines (didn't buy this one); - the price is extremely reasonable; (single-developer can get started for only $99) I've been planning to put a review together, as I've been quite impressed with the product and the company as a whole and wanted to do whatever I could to get more people looking at their offerings. Hopefully it'll be ready sometime this week. Ryan LaNeve www.laneve.com
A review would be very helpful. At my last company, we were looking very seriously at StarTeam, but as the company fell apart and the engineering staff went from 25 down to 8 and now 3 (me not being one of them) the cost became prohibitive; however this may have been perfect. (Note: the company only has one legal client of SourceSafe and at one time had developers in Utah, New Jersey and Israel. Needless to say, a sure way to corrupt SourceSafe is doing checkins with a slow connection. And they still have no real bug tracking sytem.)
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Have you tried www.freevcs.de? Made for Delphi but we use it with out commercial VC dev work. It's free, and works very well without being intrusive. Cheers, James.
I'll second that. I've been using FreeVCS for over a year quite hapilly. It has also recently gone open source, which should see a new lease of life. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com Make money with our new Affilate program
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It's written in Delphi, isn't it? -> that's always good thing :) My (personal) point of concern is that freevcs stores its data in a RDBMS (at least from what i understand after a quick look at the site). It's what i like most about CVS -> you'll always have a comprehensible, restorable filesystem structure backing your sources. regards Gertjan
A nice feature of the RDBMS is that you can store everything encrypted and also zipped. If you use it in a client/server configuration you can work remotely and know the source is secure. I backup the DB to CD etc. every so often. Also I've never had a DB problem and it gets heavilly used. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. www.getsoft.com Make money with our new Affilate program
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02We use Perforce[^] here. The only other sourcecontrol I've used is SourceSafe, and Perforce is lightyears ahead of it.... but that's really not saying much. ;P I prefer to wear gloves when using it, but that's merely a matter of personal hygiene [Roger Wright on VB] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. [Rich Cook]
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Any recommendations? I've tried CVS (WinCVS) but I don't like it - it just isn't intuitive (which is typical from anything created by the UNIX mob) I've used clearcase from rational and mks (over 4 years ago). Any other candidates. Requirements: Source control management. I need to be able to support multiple branches and be able to merge between many branches to create a final solution.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02The market is getting rather crowded these days. I've used quite a few, but I always seem to keep going back to SourceSafe for a number of reasons. StarTeam was always one of my favorites, but it can be a bit clunky and slow. It's "medium priced" at about $500 a seat. Recently, they were aquired by Borland though and I'm guessing that the Borland death-touch will soon grind them into the ground. Perforce isn't bad, though last I saw their GUI was still rather primitive. I like the feature set though, and Change Lists rule. An up and comer is AccuRev http://www.accurev.com/product/screenshots.html[^] I like them a lot. Don't even bother with PVCS, MKS, ClearCase, et all.. they're way too expensive and/or too complex, requiring full-time administrators (a lot of them). -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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The market is getting rather crowded these days. I've used quite a few, but I always seem to keep going back to SourceSafe for a number of reasons. StarTeam was always one of my favorites, but it can be a bit clunky and slow. It's "medium priced" at about $500 a seat. Recently, they were aquired by Borland though and I'm guessing that the Borland death-touch will soon grind them into the ground. Perforce isn't bad, though last I saw their GUI was still rather primitive. I like the feature set though, and Change Lists rule. An up and comer is AccuRev http://www.accurev.com/product/screenshots.html[^] I like them a lot. Don't even bother with PVCS, MKS, ClearCase, et all.. they're way too expensive and/or too complex, requiring full-time administrators (a lot of them). -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Perforce isn't bad, though last I saw their GUI was still rather primitive I must admit I am not keen on it any tool where I have to pick up the manual for even the most basic of actions is not well thought out alas Perforce was one of these and so was WinCVS - clinging on to their old unix roots perhaps. Erik Funkenbusch wrote: An up and comer is AccuRev well the site looks promising at first glance - they are showing the one tool that I am really after - Version viewer - the ability to track a file at a glance across all the branches is what I like (I want). Branches are the meanest things in the cahnage management world and few tools seem to want to help you manage this powerful side. Clearcase does - and hence why I like it WinCVS does but it seems broken - I was creating branches that had baseline(x1)->intermediate(xN)->mainline(x1)->custombranch(xN) pattern and CS seemed to no notice all the merges in the mini branches so it got quite hard to work out which merge went where. and it looks like AccuRev has the same concept as Clearcase thanks - I just hope they are as good as they look Erik Funkenbusch wrote: Don't even bother with PVCS, MKS, ClearCase, et all.. they're way too expensive and/or too complex, requiring full-time administrators (a lot of them). Aye but I am getting old and the projects are getting more complex and I'd rather save the remaining brain cells storing memories of my children rather then juggle the current state of 10 branches of source code.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02