Just imagine ... the next Visual Studio with ribbons.
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This is the second ribbon question in as many days. I resisted the first time but now I feel compelled to remind the world that most (if not all) of the original Office 2003 keyboard shortcuts are still available today. I have the ribbons in my Office 2007 programs all minimized and still use the keyboard shortcuts to get to the functionality I've become accustomed to over the years. Microsoft actually seems to have gone to some length to preserve the ability to use the familiar shortcuts from years past. For example, in Excel 2007, pretend your old File, Insert, etc. menus are still there with their old shortcuts. When you type Alt-O, it actually pops up a small window saying:
Office 2003 access key: Alt, O.
Continue typing the Office 2003 menu key sequence, or press Escape to cancel.And so far I have not found any "collisions" between the old shortcuts and the new ribbons' keyboard shortcuts. Very nice touch, Microsoft, a nice tip of the hat to your old faithful gang.
That's nice (really), but what if you're not the keyboard shortcut type? Imho, most MS Office users aren't. Heck, for that matter, most (non-developer) Windows users aren't! :-D /ravi
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This is the second ribbon question in as many days. I resisted the first time but now I feel compelled to remind the world that most (if not all) of the original Office 2003 keyboard shortcuts are still available today. I have the ribbons in my Office 2007 programs all minimized and still use the keyboard shortcuts to get to the functionality I've become accustomed to over the years. Microsoft actually seems to have gone to some length to preserve the ability to use the familiar shortcuts from years past. For example, in Excel 2007, pretend your old File, Insert, etc. menus are still there with their old shortcuts. When you type Alt-O, it actually pops up a small window saying:
Office 2003 access key: Alt, O.
Continue typing the Office 2003 menu key sequence, or press Escape to cancel.And so far I have not found any "collisions" between the old shortcuts and the new ribbons' keyboard shortcuts. Very nice touch, Microsoft, a nice tip of the hat to your old faithful gang.
You have only to look at the keyboard shortcuts still used in the VS Editor, Word, OpenOffice/LibreOffice Write etc. etc. etc. and cast your mind back to WordStar for DOS, those that are old enough, and even earlier to realize that 'standard' shortcuts are perpetuated.
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This is the second ribbon question in as many days. I resisted the first time but now I feel compelled to remind the world that most (if not all) of the original Office 2003 keyboard shortcuts are still available today. I have the ribbons in my Office 2007 programs all minimized and still use the keyboard shortcuts to get to the functionality I've become accustomed to over the years. Microsoft actually seems to have gone to some length to preserve the ability to use the familiar shortcuts from years past. For example, in Excel 2007, pretend your old File, Insert, etc. menus are still there with their old shortcuts. When you type Alt-O, it actually pops up a small window saying:
Office 2003 access key: Alt, O.
Continue typing the Office 2003 menu key sequence, or press Escape to cancel.And so far I have not found any "collisions" between the old shortcuts and the new ribbons' keyboard shortcuts. Very nice touch, Microsoft, a nice tip of the hat to your old faithful gang.
I am aware and agree with you but still doesn't help us the "rebels". More, it doesn't answer the original question. VS or your IDE of choice with ribbons, how would that feel? ---------------------------------------------- Just to be clear, not all Microsoft is evil. Only the sections fighting Google and Apple.
giuchici
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I am aware and agree with you but still doesn't help us the "rebels". More, it doesn't answer the original question. VS or your IDE of choice with ribbons, how would that feel? ---------------------------------------------- Just to be clear, not all Microsoft is evil. Only the sections fighting Google and Apple.
giuchici
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A fellow developer asked this question. My answer was mainly from an end user perspective and it is against the ribbon. The majority of people don't like it, still there were a few strong advocates for it. Reading again the original question I believe that the question was asked from a development perspective. I am sorry for I cannot give and answer to that. I did not use and I don't plan to use the ribbon anytime soon. However, not from a development but from a developer standpoint how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons. Cheers.
giuchici
giuchici wrote:
how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons.
Couldn't care less. When I use VS, I remove all toolbars and do everything from keyboard anyway. I don't think I would even notice if ribbon was added.
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To combine your thread with that of Soulus83 a little earlier, you can have the Ribbon™ and Clippy™ at the same time. Ribbon Hero 2 (Clippy's second chance)[^]
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giuchici wrote:
how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons.
Couldn't care less. When I use VS, I remove all toolbars and do everything from keyboard anyway. I don't think I would even notice if ribbon was added.
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A fellow developer asked this question. My answer was mainly from an end user perspective and it is against the ribbon. The majority of people don't like it, still there were a few strong advocates for it. Reading again the original question I believe that the question was asked from a development perspective. I am sorry for I cannot give and answer to that. I did not use and I don't plan to use the ribbon anytime soon. However, not from a development but from a developer standpoint how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons. Cheers.
giuchici
I only use VS for non-trivial WinForms apps; I can continue to use VS 2010 Express. (Or xacc.ide)
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Probably not. I don't use the toolbars, either. Don't think I even looked ta them other than the initial "What is that picture supposed to be?" glance.
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A fellow developer asked this question. My answer was mainly from an end user perspective and it is against the ribbon. The majority of people don't like it, still there were a few strong advocates for it. Reading again the original question I believe that the question was asked from a development perspective. I am sorry for I cannot give and answer to that. I did not use and I don't plan to use the ribbon anytime soon. However, not from a development but from a developer standpoint how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons. Cheers.
giuchici
giuchici wrote:
Just imagine ... the next Visual Studio with ribbons.
Do I have to? X|
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A fellow developer asked this question. My answer was mainly from an end user perspective and it is against the ribbon. The majority of people don't like it, still there were a few strong advocates for it. Reading again the original question I believe that the question was asked from a development perspective. I am sorry for I cannot give and answer to that. I did not use and I don't plan to use the ribbon anytime soon. However, not from a development but from a developer standpoint how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons. Cheers.
giuchici
It wouldn't make much difference for me as I mostly use keyboard shortcuts. But, overall I really like new ribbon interfaces.
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A fellow developer asked this question. My answer was mainly from an end user perspective and it is against the ribbon. The majority of people don't like it, still there were a few strong advocates for it. Reading again the original question I believe that the question was asked from a development perspective. I am sorry for I cannot give and answer to that. I did not use and I don't plan to use the ribbon anytime soon. However, not from a development but from a developer standpoint how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons. Cheers.
giuchici
giuchici wrote:
The majority of people don't like it
This is the second time in a week that I have had to ask for a citation here. When you say "The majority of people don't like it", what you are really saying is "the people I count as my development colleagues don't like it", not "a survey of all the Office users in the world expressed an opinion stating they did not like it". Developers aren't your typical end users, so our opinions tend to be heavily skewed. Most of the end users I've talked to actually like the ribbon, primarily because they've been seduced by the "ooh shiny" nature of it.
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giuchici wrote:
The majority of people don't like it
This is the second time in a week that I have had to ask for a citation here. When you say "The majority of people don't like it", what you are really saying is "the people I count as my development colleagues don't like it", not "a survey of all the Office users in the world expressed an opinion stating they did not like it". Developers aren't your typical end users, so our opinions tend to be heavily skewed. Most of the end users I've talked to actually like the ribbon, primarily because they've been seduced by the "ooh shiny" nature of it.
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Sorry, I was referring to the posters in the thread where the ribbon question was asked first. Most of them were pretty unsatisfied with it from a user perspective. I am aware that I may not be the most representative user of Office applications but I believe I belong to a crowd (not negligible) that deserves too consideration. There's no fire without smoke and in this matter there's a lot of smoke. And again, as I started this this thread to be about VS with ribbons and I guess these are not the Office users seduced by the "shinyness".
giuchici
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A fellow developer asked this question. My answer was mainly from an end user perspective and it is against the ribbon. The majority of people don't like it, still there were a few strong advocates for it. Reading again the original question I believe that the question was asked from a development perspective. I am sorry for I cannot give and answer to that. I did not use and I don't plan to use the ribbon anytime soon. However, not from a development but from a developer standpoint how happy would you be if Microsoft replaces the current Visual Studio menus, toolbars ... with ribbons. Cheers.
giuchici
