Mac OS X market share arising
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Windows market share has reached 88% for the first time in some years, Mac is growing to 5+% What do you think about that? In my opinion Windows is an excellent OS ruined by companies who can't really program something decent. Mac is trying to limitate damages noob programmers could make Anyway a frequent reason I hear is "My mac needn't to be formatted, Windows Pcs do" or "Mac never get viruses, Windows always do" I do not totally agree with that.. I'd like to read some of your opinions
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4288 wrote:
My mac needn't to be formatted, Windows Pcs do" or "Mac never get viruses, Windows always do"
Well, my Mac has had to be reformatted, twice, has applications crash, often, and I saw my first virus not so long ago and am looking to see the floodgates open soon. The Mac is a far better user experience, Windows 7 is a far safer, more mature, more resiliant OS. They both have their places, but if I want to run lots of mobile apps I'll choose an iPhone. If I want to ensure I can run any desktop app I could think of using, I'll use Windows.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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4288 wrote:
"Will Mac OS X gain ground over Windows in the next years or won't it?"
and the correct answer is yes.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
or will it be OS XI :confused:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
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I use both Mac and Windows Machines, as well as Linux box at home, and that dismissive, cynical, self-aggrandising statement is exactly the kind of thing that Mac marketers love to point at as an indication of the unimimaginative way of thinking that led to Windows being seen as a second-rate OS. I think it boils down to whether or not you are the kind of person who gets excited by loads and loads of features, apps and configurability like you get in Windows, or a smaller number of features and a more locked-in arrangement in a restrained design like you get in OSX.
Smokie, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. www.geticeberg.com http://melpadden.wordpress.com
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Windows market share has reached 88% for the first time in some years, Mac is growing to 5+% What do you think about that? In my opinion Windows is an excellent OS ruined by companies who can't really program something decent. Mac is trying to limitate damages noob programmers could make Anyway a frequent reason I hear is "My mac needn't to be formatted, Windows Pcs do" or "Mac never get viruses, Windows always do" I do not totally agree with that.. I'd like to read some of your opinions
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All things Apple suck, period. Apple partners with no one and wants to keep everything to themselves. Microsoft partners with everyone and has been the best thing going for a long time. Shame everyone can't write bug free code, but who cares when we can blame MS for it ;P Apple tries to make itself look cool by making fun of the "fat geeky PC guy with glasses". Bullys like that always pissed me off. :mad: Apple sucks :thumbsdown:
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All things Apple suck, period. Apple partners with no one and wants to keep everything to themselves. Microsoft partners with everyone and has been the best thing going for a long time. Shame everyone can't write bug free code, but who cares when we can blame MS for it ;P Apple tries to make itself look cool by making fun of the "fat geeky PC guy with glasses". Bullys like that always pissed me off. :mad: Apple sucks :thumbsdown:
Agreed. The kind of elitist & snobbish behavior you find in the apple cult is also quite unparallelled anywhere. I often feel like it's all air. Remember their infamous "10 reasons to swtich" list? When I read that the first time, I was like "eum... weren't all these things allready present in windows for like a decade?" It's amazing. Apple rules at one thing only: making people think it is a good idea to spend 2x the money to buy crippled products in a nice jacket. For the price of their gloryfied media player, I can buy a quad core laptop. Go figure. I used to not care about them at all. But now they are gaining market share and spreading their dictatorial ideas and concepts into the general population. That's not a good thing for the industry or the consumer. Having said that, as long as they hard couple the hard with the soft, they will NEVER mean anything worthwhile in enterprise.
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Windows market share has reached 88% for the first time in some years, Mac is growing to 5+% What do you think about that? In my opinion Windows is an excellent OS ruined by companies who can't really program something decent. Mac is trying to limitate damages noob programmers could make Anyway a frequent reason I hear is "My mac needn't to be formatted, Windows Pcs do" or "Mac never get viruses, Windows always do" I do not totally agree with that.. I'd like to read some of your opinions
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I use both Mac and Windows Machines, as well as Linux box at home, and that dismissive, cynical, self-aggrandising statement is exactly the kind of thing that Mac marketers love to point at as an indication of the unimimaginative way of thinking that led to Windows being seen as a second-rate OS. I think it boils down to whether or not you are the kind of person who gets excited by loads and loads of features, apps and configurability like you get in Windows, or a smaller number of features and a more locked-in arrangement in a restrained design like you get in OSX.
Smokie, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. www.geticeberg.com http://melpadden.wordpress.com
I have several Macs at home that I started collecting after buying two computers with Vista on them. I have a 7 machine along with a couple of xp machines and the 2 Vista machines still in addition. I find that I have more features available that are the ones I want and are included with the OS. Take Preview for instance: It takes typically no less than 3 pieces of software in Windows for me to emulate the functionality of Preview in OSX. I like that the OSX answer to Remote Desktop is available on all machines rather than just those running Professional/Ultimate/Enterprise which is hardly included with a consumer machine. I don't find that OSX has loads less features or is more locked-in so much as they give a default that is less intrusive so people don't have to go hunt how to change something really annoying (like accidentally holding shift key for more than 5 seconds on a new install of XP/Vista/7, which happens sometimes when I'm thinking). There is definitely less 3rd party software available though, and finding ports of some open-source tools is nigh impossible. I will admit that I haven't learned Objective-C yet though and thus have left development off of my Macs.
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If you read again you'll exciting discover that the post title and my text lead to the question: "Will Mac OS X gain ground over Windows in the next years or won't it?"
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My bad... I was the one that skewed the statistics by buying multiple Macs. Ignore the increase in market share.
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Really? Do you really think that you will get an objective opinion on a site designed for windows programming? OS X and iOS are superior products because they aren't sitting on top of DOS which is technology from the early 80's.
Um... Neither is NT/2k/XP/Vista/7. I'm a huge Mac proponent, but I'm also a programmer and you can't truthfully use that argument anymore. If you say that, then people will point the guns of OS9 and earlier and say you sit on that crap vs Darwin.
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Really? Do you really think that you will get an objective opinion on a site designed for windows programming? OS X and iOS are superior products because they aren't sitting on top of DOS which is technology from the early 80's.
Funyny you should say that. OS/X is a Linux port from UNIX (an operating system from the 70's) plastered into a Wintel platform. Don't get me wrong, I use Linux for a lot of things and develop embedded software for a Linux OS product. But I wouldn't ever consider OS/X for manufacturing. Too much effort to recreate things I alreaddy have in Windows from equipment vendor's sample code. Not enough hardware choice. Native development in Objectionable C, which the MAC fanboys here all agree is a vomitous nightmare. To much training of test operators with minimal PC knowledge, generically speaking. If trainng were not an issue I'd be far more likely to use Ubuntu or Red Hat for manufacturing systems. I also find the Apple greed culture too much to stomach. So do many of my friends who work at Apple, most of whom have been there for over 15 years. As far as UI, iOS is horrible. I've won two iPODs. I stick to using the classic because the UI on the Touch is such a mess. As far as Apple's vaunted industrial design, I fail to see what's so good about mobile devices that squirt out of your grip like wet bars of soap of Teflon(tm) tweezers. They do look good, but what's the point when everyone puts them inside a nsaty little piece of plastic or (in my case) leather to keep them from dropping to the floor.
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Windows market share has reached 88% for the first time in some years, Mac is growing to 5+% What do you think about that? In my opinion Windows is an excellent OS ruined by companies who can't really program something decent. Mac is trying to limitate damages noob programmers could make Anyway a frequent reason I hear is "My mac needn't to be formatted, Windows Pcs do" or "Mac never get viruses, Windows always do" I do not totally agree with that.. I'd like to read some of your opinions
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Back in the day I owned a Commodore computer and an Atari computer, then I moved to the PC and have been on those since (DOS and Windows). I programmed in Borland C/C++ and then Visual Studio .NET (VB and C#). A year ago I switched out my home PC computers with Macs. I have not regretted this since. I am currently learning Objective-C (XCode and Interface Builder). All I can say is that with the recent advances in smartphones and tablets by Apple and Google, Microsoft has been left out in the cold. Will Windows 8 succeed when it comes out in the autumn of 2012? I am going to say, "No".
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Funyny you should say that. OS/X is a Linux port from UNIX (an operating system from the 70's) plastered into a Wintel platform. Don't get me wrong, I use Linux for a lot of things and develop embedded software for a Linux OS product. But I wouldn't ever consider OS/X for manufacturing. Too much effort to recreate things I alreaddy have in Windows from equipment vendor's sample code. Not enough hardware choice. Native development in Objectionable C, which the MAC fanboys here all agree is a vomitous nightmare. To much training of test operators with minimal PC knowledge, generically speaking. If trainng were not an issue I'd be far more likely to use Ubuntu or Red Hat for manufacturing systems. I also find the Apple greed culture too much to stomach. So do many of my friends who work at Apple, most of whom have been there for over 15 years. As far as UI, iOS is horrible. I've won two iPODs. I stick to using the classic because the UI on the Touch is such a mess. As far as Apple's vaunted industrial design, I fail to see what's so good about mobile devices that squirt out of your grip like wet bars of soap of Teflon(tm) tweezers. They do look good, but what's the point when everyone puts them inside a nsaty little piece of plastic or (in my case) leather to keep them from dropping to the floor.
Mac OS X is a port from NextStep which in turn is a port from BSD. Apple bought NextStep when Steve Jobs came bac to Apple. Objective-C is C with some SmallTalk. XCode and Interface Builder were part of NextStep. Java which is based from SmallTalk, was developed by Sun Micro Systems and NextStep. Microsoft Winows NT was developed by programmers from DEC, who had the VAX VMS operating system.
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Windows market share has reached 88% for the first time in some years, Mac is growing to 5+% What do you think about that? In my opinion Windows is an excellent OS ruined by companies who can't really program something decent. Mac is trying to limitate damages noob programmers could make Anyway a frequent reason I hear is "My mac needn't to be formatted, Windows Pcs do" or "Mac never get viruses, Windows always do" I do not totally agree with that.. I'd like to read some of your opinions
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read up on mac security, no DEP or anything. When a new exploit comes out, mac os is always the first to be broken. The reason for the lack of viruses is that not enough people use macs to be able to mass-infect. While I use windows 7, I prefer OSes based on the linux kernal. Despite Apples claim of mac being based on UNIX, linux is as close to UNIX as you will get