Smoke gets in your eyes.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Cold-blooded murder, to me, is when a person murder's someone for no reason
Not really the dictionary definition("without emotion or feeling; dispassionate; cruel"), but then I didn't really use it very well either. It wasn't emotionless, but it was cruel.
Slacker007 wrote:
I think she had a good enough reason
Never a good reason for murder. Understandable, but not justifiable. Absolutely nothing honorable about burning someone to death.
Majerus wrote:
Never a good reason for murder. Understandable, but not justifiable. Absolutely nothing honorable about burning someone to death.
Have you or someone close to you that you love been raped? Has someone close to you been deliberately killed in a violent way? Has either of those happened to someone that you were specifically supposed to be looking out for (such as a child)? If you answer is no then perhaps someone to which that has happened might have a different viewpoint.
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Majerus wrote:
Never a good reason for murder. Understandable, but not justifiable. Absolutely nothing honorable about burning someone to death.
Have you or someone close to you that you love been raped? Has someone close to you been deliberately killed in a violent way? Has either of those happened to someone that you were specifically supposed to be looking out for (such as a child)? If you answer is no then perhaps someone to which that has happened might have a different viewpoint.
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A Spanish mother has taken revenge on the man who raped her 13-year-old daughter at knifepoint by dousing him in petrol and setting him alight. He died of his injuries in hospital on Friday. Antonio Cosme Velasco Soriano, 69, had been sent to jail for nine years in 1998, but was let out on a three-day pass and returned to his home town of Benejúzar, 30 miles south of Alicante, on the Costa Blanca. While there, he passed his victim’s mother in the street and allegedly taunted her about the attack. He is said to have called out “How’s your daughter?”, before heading into a crowded bar. Shortly after, the woman walked into the bar, poured a bottle of petrol over Soriano and lit a match. She watched as the flames engulfed him, before walking out.[^] Hope they give her a medal.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Why did a rapist get a 3 day "pass" that allowed him (rapist serving time) to legally enter a crowded bar? Why weren't the victims notified of his release or "pass"? What he said could be seen as intimidating/threatening a witness/victim, I hope she gets a good lawyer. If OJ walked, so could she.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Do you know that a burglar can sue you (and win) for hurting them while you are defending your family and property from the intruder? (United States). There is no justice. Justice is a theory and has no proof.
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You still have to be convicted by a jury of peers in this country, thankfully. If you live in an area where citizens have at least half a brain, and aren't crooks themselves, (ie: not Chicago) you'll probably walk.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Slacker007 wrote:
However, it is not your responsibility to dish out justice therefore you are wrong and always will be wrong in thinking so and acting so. One of the greatest crimes against humanity IMHO.
It's the Billy Budd scenario once again. I would argue that the law does not determine what is a good action or an evil action. It determines the (il)legality which is far from being the same thing. Nonetheless your point that we either have rule by law or rule by men and the later ultimately offers less good for the greater number is well made.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
Nonetheless your point that we either have rule by law or rule by men and the later ultimately offers less good for the greater number is well made.
Except perhaps in cases where the ones supposedly handling the icky jobs we've delegated to them aren't quite good enough at them. A rapist out on a weekend pass? Excuse me?
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A Spanish mother has taken revenge on the man who raped her 13-year-old daughter at knifepoint by dousing him in petrol and setting him alight. He died of his injuries in hospital on Friday. Antonio Cosme Velasco Soriano, 69, had been sent to jail for nine years in 1998, but was let out on a three-day pass and returned to his home town of Benejúzar, 30 miles south of Alicante, on the Costa Blanca. While there, he passed his victim’s mother in the street and allegedly taunted her about the attack. He is said to have called out “How’s your daughter?”, before heading into a crowded bar. Shortly after, the woman walked into the bar, poured a bottle of petrol over Soriano and lit a match. She watched as the flames engulfed him, before walking out.[^] Hope they give her a medal.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
A girlfriend I had as a teenager worked as a cleaner and was raped while cleaning the house of an acquaintance. A friend and I waited for him outside his house one night and beat the living shit out of him. We were arrested and went to court as minors, no conviction was recorded for either of us. The rapist got 5 years. I heard a few years ago he still walks with a limp. Looking back on that episode of my life I wish I'd acted differently but the fucker got what was coming to him. To be more correct I received a 12 month suspended sentence and a good behaviour bond. Had I of re-offended in that time I would have served the 12 months in addition to any punishment for the new offence. The judge stipulated that should the good behaviour bond expire without further offence the conviction was to be struck off the public record.
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A girlfriend I had as a teenager worked as a cleaner and was raped while cleaning the house of an acquaintance. A friend and I waited for him outside his house one night and beat the living shit out of him. We were arrested and went to court as minors, no conviction was recorded for either of us. The rapist got 5 years. I heard a few years ago he still walks with a limp. Looking back on that episode of my life I wish I'd acted differently but the fucker got what was coming to him. To be more correct I received a 12 month suspended sentence and a good behaviour bond. Had I of re-offended in that time I would have served the 12 months in addition to any punishment for the new offence. The judge stipulated that should the good behaviour bond expire without further offence the conviction was to be struck off the public record.
modified on Monday, June 20, 2011 9:01 PM
_Josh_ wrote:
Looking back on that episode of my life I wish I'd acted differently
Me, too. Didn't you realize you could have hurt your hands???
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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_Josh_ wrote:
Looking back on that episode of my life I wish I'd acted differently
Me, too. Didn't you realize you could have hurt your hands???
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Oakman wrote:
Didn't you realize you could have hurt your hands???
I did, it took weeks for the swelling to go down.
_Josh_ wrote:
I did, it took weeks for the swelling to go down.
Then it was a learning experience for you - as well as for the rapist?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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_Josh_ wrote:
I did, it took weeks for the swelling to go down.
Then it was a learning experience for you - as well as for the rapist?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
Then it was a learning experience for you - as well as for the rapist?
The throw away line here is that I should have used a bat but really I learnt a lot. Is was an immature and ultimately pointless response. He would have suffered far more as a child rapist in a high security gaol. I was very lucky to get away with it, had I received a custodial sentence or even had a conviction for assault recorded I would have suffered for it for the remainder of my life. No love is as blind as that of a 17 year old.
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Oakman wrote:
Then it was a learning experience for you - as well as for the rapist?
The throw away line here is that I should have used a bat but really I learnt a lot. Is was an immature and ultimately pointless response. He would have suffered far more as a child rapist in a high security gaol. I was very lucky to get away with it, had I received a custodial sentence or even had a conviction for assault recorded I would have suffered for it for the remainder of my life. No love is as blind as that of a 17 year old.
_Josh_ wrote:
I was very lucky to get away with it, had I received a custodial sentence or even had a conviction for assault recorded I would have suffered for it for the remainder of my life.
I wish I could argue with your conclusions, but I can't, except to say that were I on your jury, you would not have been convicted.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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_Josh_ wrote:
I was very lucky to get away with it, had I received a custodial sentence or even had a conviction for assault recorded I would have suffered for it for the remainder of my life.
I wish I could argue with your conclusions, but I can't, except to say that were I on your jury, you would not have been convicted.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
were I on your jury, you would not have been convicted.
Trouble is, it was purely pre-meditated and vengeful. Noone can argue with the motive, but that which stops us from anarchy is the ability to let the law take its course rather than taking it into your own hands... Matter of fact, there are a number of cases where similar has happened and it's actually harmed the prosecution case against the person on the end of the beating. Josh was very lucky indeed...
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Joe Simes wrote:
Can you point out the funny part?
No. Fat body can't point out the funny part because he's a tard.
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Oh look, some one else with no sense of humour.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
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fat__boy wrote:
Every thing said in this post is a joke
Really? Can you point out the funny part?
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I meant the other definition of joke. As I am sure you understood.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
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_Josh_ wrote:
I was very lucky to get away with it, had I received a custodial sentence or even had a conviction for assault recorded I would have suffered for it for the remainder of my life.
I wish I could argue with your conclusions, but I can't, except to say that were I on your jury, you would not have been convicted.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
You cant have third parties stepping in and mmeting out justice as they see fit and the law NOT act. Its entirely different if the victim acts, and particularly at the time of the original offense. So in this case Joshs girlfriend beating the guy senseless with a bat ay the time of the original offense would be perfectly OK. Doing so weeks later would be premeditated and not OK. Its a sublte thing but you have to have momentarially lost your mind due to fear (from being pushed past the point of reason) to be clear of any culpability when you act. This lady should be convicted. She torched the guy not only some time after he taunted her but years after the rape. Western Law is NOT based on a tooth for a tooth. :)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
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Oakman wrote:
Then it was a learning experience for you - as well as for the rapist?
The throw away line here is that I should have used a bat but really I learnt a lot. Is was an immature and ultimately pointless response. He would have suffered far more as a child rapist in a high security gaol. I was very lucky to get away with it, had I received a custodial sentence or even had a conviction for assault recorded I would have suffered for it for the remainder of my life. No love is as blind as that of a 17 year old.
_Josh_ wrote:
The throw away line here is that I should have used a bat
A 5 for realizing that
_Josh_ wrote:
No love is as blind as that of a 17 year old
No, a 71 years old could do the same
A hidden needle is way more effective than an unsheathed sword.
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jschell wrote:
someone to which that has happened might have a different viewpoint.
They might indeed. Like I said "Understandable, but not justifiable."
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Majerus wrote:
They might indeed. Like I said "Understandable, but not justifiable."
In your opinion.
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Well, we agree to disagree.
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The univoter seems to have taken a dislike to your reasoned responses. I have have brought you back into the black.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Oakman wrote:
were I on your jury, you would not have been convicted.
Trouble is, it was purely pre-meditated and vengeful. Noone can argue with the motive, but that which stops us from anarchy is the ability to let the law take its course rather than taking it into your own hands... Matter of fact, there are a number of cases where similar has happened and it's actually harmed the prosecution case against the person on the end of the beating. Josh was very lucky indeed...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Trouble is, it was purely pre-meditated and vengeful.
I've always been a fan of the Batman. I do understand what you are talking about and am forced to agree.
_Damian S_ wrote:
Josh was very lucky indeed...
Perhaps, but Cops, D.A.'s and juries have all declined to prosecute people who are technically guilty, many, many times
_Damian S_ wrote:
actually harmed the prosecution case against the person on the end of the beating.
Once again we are left with the law making it more advantageous to kill someone than simply to injure them. I am not saying that is what Josh should have done, but I am pointing out that there is a loophole that encourages extremism.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
