Uh oh, if the Germans get pissed of enough its the end of the Euro.
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German anger over the second Greek bailout shows no sign of disappearing[^] And this is the crux "Bild, which sells 3m copies daily, said that Germany is was always the "scapegoat" when the IMF and EU are were looking for more money. Germany's "dark past" played a special role in this case as in many others" Germany is paying reparations for the second world war. It is the only profitable working country in Europe which by being shackled to the EU is supporting all the rest. When the Germans finaly get pissed off about having to feel so guilty, or forget the past and match the rise of the far right as elsewhere in Europe then expect a very strong sentiment for Germany to exit the Euro, and it to then collapse.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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German anger over the second Greek bailout shows no sign of disappearing[^] And this is the crux "Bild, which sells 3m copies daily, said that Germany is was always the "scapegoat" when the IMF and EU are were looking for more money. Germany's "dark past" played a special role in this case as in many others" Germany is paying reparations for the second world war. It is the only profitable working country in Europe which by being shackled to the EU is supporting all the rest. When the Germans finaly get pissed off about having to feel so guilty, or forget the past and match the rise of the far right as elsewhere in Europe then expect a very strong sentiment for Germany to exit the Euro, and it to then collapse.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
Europe is not ready for the Euro the same way Russia was not ready for the communism 1917. Everything artificial or revolutionary in the society or the economy is a potential disaster. IMHO Germany, France and may be Italy have to keep the Euro and kick everybody else from the Euro zone for a while. There were voices from some German politics that they want Russia in the Euro zone probably to back up the new currency with the German economic power and Russia resources and political influence. I don’t think it’s possible, but at least sounds logical.
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Europe is not ready for the Euro the same way Russia was not ready for the communism 1917. Everything artificial or revolutionary in the society or the economy is a potential disaster. IMHO Germany, France and may be Italy have to keep the Euro and kick everybody else from the Euro zone for a while. There were voices from some German politics that they want Russia in the Euro zone probably to back up the new currency with the German economic power and Russia resources and political influence. I don’t think it’s possible, but at least sounds logical.
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Yeah, Countries needed to have shown 20 years of stability and financial maturity before joining. The UK would NOT be good enough to join given its recent financial childishness.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Yeah, Countries needed to have shown 20 years of stability and financial maturity before joining. The UK would NOT be good enough to join given its recent financial childishness.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
fat__boy wrote:
Countries needed to have shown 20 years of stability and financial maturity before joining.
That lets out everyone but Norway doesn't it?
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German anger over the second Greek bailout shows no sign of disappearing[^] And this is the crux "Bild, which sells 3m copies daily, said that Germany is was always the "scapegoat" when the IMF and EU are were looking for more money. Germany's "dark past" played a special role in this case as in many others" Germany is paying reparations for the second world war. It is the only profitable working country in Europe which by being shackled to the EU is supporting all the rest. When the Germans finaly get pissed off about having to feel so guilty, or forget the past and match the rise of the far right as elsewhere in Europe then expect a very strong sentiment for Germany to exit the Euro, and it to then collapse.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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fat__boy wrote:
Countries needed to have shown 20 years of stability and financial maturity before joining.
That lets out everyone but Norway doesn't it?
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And Norway is not a part of the EU on top of it. But if there is a reasonable criteria for “stability” why not use them? For example what percentage from the GDP is country’s external debt, political stability, deficit etc? Mind you that a relatively not very reach country could be rock stable and a very rich country could be a complete unpredictable mess ready to fall apart.
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And Norway is not a part of the EU on top of it. But if there is a reasonable criteria for “stability” why not use them? For example what percentage from the GDP is country’s external debt, political stability, deficit etc? Mind you that a relatively not very reach country could be rock stable and a very rich country could be a complete unpredictable mess ready to fall apart.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
But if there is a reasonable criteria for “stability” why not use them?
So which countries in the EU have not had major riots in the last five years?
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Once all the Germans were warlike and mean, But that couldn't happen again. We taught them a lesson in nineteen eighteen, And they've hardly bothered us since then.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Wow, that takes me back, the MLF Lullaby. Possibly we would now be more concerned that Turkey was part of the Multi-Lateral Force: We have the weapons our foes to panic, And one of the fingers on the button is Islamic perhaps. (Apologies to Mr Lehrer.)
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
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And Norway is not a part of the EU on top of it. But if there is a reasonable criteria for “stability” why not use them? For example what percentage from the GDP is country’s external debt, political stability, deficit etc? Mind you that a relatively not very reach country could be rock stable and a very rich country could be a complete unpredictable mess ready to fall apart.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
what percentage from the GDP is country’s external debt, political stability, deficit etc?
At the moment, normal rules don't apply. When the worldwide financial crisis is history, and that may take some years, then you can apply certain stability requirements, until then, it is a meaningless measure.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
what percentage from the GDP is country’s external debt, political stability, deficit etc?
At the moment, normal rules don't apply. When the worldwide financial crisis is history, and that may take some years, then you can apply certain stability requirements, until then, it is a meaningless measure.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
When the worldwide financial crisis is history, and that may take some years
25, 50, 100? Richard, what makes you think that the present situation isn't the new normal?
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fat__boy wrote:
Countries needed to have shown 20 years of stability and financial maturity before joining.
That lets out everyone but Norway doesn't it?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Untill the oil runs out..
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
But if there is a reasonable criteria for “stability” why not use them?
So which countries in the EU have not had major riots in the last five years?
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Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Sweeden, Czech republic, Spain, Portgual, Ireland, Malta, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, Hungary and Slovenia? :)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
what percentage from the GDP is country’s external debt, political stability, deficit etc?
At the moment, normal rules don't apply. When the worldwide financial crisis is history, and that may take some years, then you can apply certain stability requirements, until then, it is a meaningless measure.
Yes, unfortunately. Whats utterly mind blwingly shocking is that the market/government did not see their actions over the last 10 years as leading to instability. Every single fucking bibble has popped painfully, and they collectively let the crdit bubble get to the size where its popping very nearly destroyed the western world. Greed and stupidity very nearly acchieved what communism couldnt. :)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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You know aftre the first world war they had to pay 99 million dollars, in gold, to FRance. This pretty much created the ecconomiv ruin in Germany in the 1920s and led to the rise of Faschism. I fear that by brutalising Germany again today, it will encourage the rise of the extreme right. (And the fact the extreme right is on the rise in Europe in general, probably because the Government wont tackle Islamicisation and Immigration, is only gong to make it easier.)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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German anger over the second Greek bailout shows no sign of disappearing[^] And this is the crux "Bild, which sells 3m copies daily, said that Germany is was always the "scapegoat" when the IMF and EU are were looking for more money. Germany's "dark past" played a special role in this case as in many others" Germany is paying reparations for the second world war. It is the only profitable working country in Europe which by being shackled to the EU is supporting all the rest. When the Germans finaly get pissed off about having to feel so guilty, or forget the past and match the rise of the far right as elsewhere in Europe then expect a very strong sentiment for Germany to exit the Euro, and it to then collapse.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
fat__boy wrote:
Germany is paying reparations for the second world war. It is the only profitable working country in Europe which by being shackled to the EU is supporting all the rest.
No they are shackled to it because they wanted the Euro. They pushed for it, because they thought it would benefit them. Now it has gone pear-shaped, they have to pay the consequenses. If it had been a success they would have reaped the benefits. Or do you think Greece and thr rest of Europe forced them too ditch the Mark? Saying that Germany has too foot the Bill because of WW2 is utter Bollocks, it is because they have the largest economy at this moment in time, if France was doing as well as Germany are, they too will be expected to dig deep.
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fat__boy wrote:
Countries needed to have shown 20 years of stability and financial maturity before joining.
That lets out everyone but Norway doesn't it?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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fat__boy wrote:
Germany is paying reparations for the second world war. It is the only profitable working country in Europe which by being shackled to the EU is supporting all the rest.
No they are shackled to it because they wanted the Euro. They pushed for it, because they thought it would benefit them. Now it has gone pear-shaped, they have to pay the consequenses. If it had been a success they would have reaped the benefits. Or do you think Greece and thr rest of Europe forced them too ditch the Mark? Saying that Germany has too foot the Bill because of WW2 is utter Bollocks, it is because they have the largest economy at this moment in time, if France was doing as well as Germany are, they too will be expected to dig deep.
Ᵽompey wrote:
No they are shackled to it because they wanted the Euro.
Got any proof of that assertion?
Ᵽompey wrote:
They pushed for it, because they thought it would benefit them.
So they thought tying their currency to the Greek economy was good for them? Masochists are they?
Ᵽompey wrote:
Saying that Germany has too foot the Bill because of WW2 is utter Bollocks,
I will repeat what the Bild said: "Bild, which sells 3m copies daily, said that Germany is was always the "scapegoat" when the IMF and EU are were looking for more money. Germany's "dark past" played a special role in this case as in many others"
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Ᵽompey wrote:
No they are shackled to it because they wanted the Euro.
Got any proof of that assertion?
Ᵽompey wrote:
They pushed for it, because they thought it would benefit them.
So they thought tying their currency to the Greek economy was good for them? Masochists are they?
Ᵽompey wrote:
Saying that Germany has too foot the Bill because of WW2 is utter Bollocks,
I will repeat what the Bild said: "Bild, which sells 3m copies daily, said that Germany is was always the "scapegoat" when the IMF and EU are were looking for more money. Germany's "dark past" played a special role in this case as in many others"
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
fat__boy wrote:
So they thought tying their currency to the Greek economy was good for them? Masochists are they?
They envisaged that a European currency had the potential to be the strongest in the world, and under different circumstances, and without the Credit Crunch, it may have been. You have the benefit of hindsight, that Greece is going to collapse, nobody knew this when the Euro was in its infancy. It is common knowledge that it was Germany and France who were the main driving force behind it, they gambled and it looks like they lost. The UK decided to sit it out and see if it succeeded first before dropping the pound. This would have put us in a poor negotiating posistion when we did decide to join the Euro. Are you really trying to say Germany was forced into ditching the Mark in favour of the Euro? If so who forced them and why was Britain allowed to sit out and wait and see how it performed before deciding to join?
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fat__boy wrote:
So they thought tying their currency to the Greek economy was good for them? Masochists are they?
They envisaged that a European currency had the potential to be the strongest in the world, and under different circumstances, and without the Credit Crunch, it may have been. You have the benefit of hindsight, that Greece is going to collapse, nobody knew this when the Euro was in its infancy. It is common knowledge that it was Germany and France who were the main driving force behind it, they gambled and it looks like they lost. The UK decided to sit it out and see if it succeeded first before dropping the pound. This would have put us in a poor negotiating posistion when we did decide to join the Euro. Are you really trying to say Germany was forced into ditching the Mark in favour of the Euro? If so who forced them and why was Britain allowed to sit out and wait and see how it performed before deciding to join?
Germany has been paying for the CAP, which benefited France at Germanys expense, since the inception of the EU. The EU is all about Germany paying, it always was.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold