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Jamaican's think British Rule would be better[^]. Now if only we can convince the USA, India, South Africa , [Set Of All Remaining Countries Formerly of the British Empire], [Set Of All Countries Never in the British Empire].
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But doesn't it mean everybody gets a shot at becoming British PM and in British parliament? Then it wouldn't be like British rule but you guys will be ruled by somebody else depending on the number of representative USA ,India and South Africa can send to British parliament. Do you really want this to happen? Surly you are not expecting countries to agree to the way British ruled long back. :)
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" -Pascal
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digital man wrote:
by and large, the empire brought peace and prosperity to large swathes of the world's peoples
And expanded the slave trade, repressed local religions, culture and languages, suppressed people who said "actually we want to run our own affairs our own way, thank you very much, and by the way what happened to all our natural resources?", introduced diseases that decimated populations, etc, etc. But apart from that, viniculture, roads and sanitation...
viaducting wrote:
And expanded the slave trade
And helped to bring about the end of the slave trade.
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But doesn't it mean everybody gets a shot at becoming British PM and in British parliament? Then it wouldn't be like British rule but you guys will be ruled by somebody else depending on the number of representative USA ,India and South Africa can send to British parliament. Do you really want this to happen? Surly you are not expecting countries to agree to the way British ruled long back. :)
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" -Pascal
Dave wants a true democracy. 1 man 1 vote, with him as the man with the vote.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Um, I may be wrong and will bow to your superior knowledge, but War of Independance - 1775–1783 Constitution adopted on September 17, 1787 Suggests to me that the USA did not exist before the brits were kicked out. By about 4 years.
Does 1776 ring any bells? And what of the 15 Presidents of the United States that were there BEFORE George Washington, did they not count?
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We can't afford a Death Star! We can't even afford a Gold Star! :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Dave wants a true democracy. 1 man 1 vote, with him as the man with the vote.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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How about one day the UK gets into something that actually makes us better off?
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Does 1776 ring any bells? And what of the 15 Presidents of the United States that were there BEFORE George Washington, did they not count?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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We only gained from that by exploitation.
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Only if it can destroy planets. Rather than just peoples will to live...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Nudge nudge! :beer:
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digital man wrote:
by and large, the empire brought peace and prosperity to large swathes of the world's peoples
And expanded the slave trade, repressed local religions, culture and languages, suppressed people who said "actually we want to run our own affairs our own way, thank you very much, and by the way what happened to all our natural resources?", introduced diseases that decimated populations, etc, etc. But apart from that, viniculture, roads and sanitation...
Viaducting, you really need to read a book. Slavery has existed for 10,000 years. One country stopped it. Britain. Not only did we stop using it, we went to war all over the world to stop slavery. Next time you feel like playing the hard done by oppressed minority, pause to look up the facts.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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We only gained from that by exploitation.
And Exploration, and Trade, and Intelligence, and Technological Know How. All these poor put upon peoples tell of how the British came and ruled them... No, we came with better stuff, that is all. You had the same amount of time to develop technology, but didn't. So we turn up with our clever railways and telegraphs and advanced machines and are faced with backward peasants eating rice with their fingers. Is that any different to what EVERY other country in the world does? You have a bug up your arse about the British Empire, but you are the fruit of that empire. We invented just about everything, and you use it. If you feel that strongly, turn off the computer (British), stop using computer code (British), or the world wide web (British), and get on your bike( oh, wait, that is British too), and go and do something that does not involve British technology. Truth is, the world is as it is now, and no matter how hard you dislike it, you cannot change it. So build a bridge and get over it.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Dave wants a true democracy. 1 man 1 vote, with him as the man with the vote.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
1 man 1 vote
Sounds like Singapore, here's[] the man and he's got the vote.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Viaducting, you really need to read a book. Slavery has existed for 10,000 years. One country stopped it. Britain. Not only did we stop using it, we went to war all over the world to stop slavery. Next time you feel like playing the hard done by oppressed minority, pause to look up the facts.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
I am not denying that "we" stopped it, nor that it existed before "we" got there. What "we" did do was massively expand it and turn it into an international trade that dwarfed anything that existed before. I merely wished to raise that fact to balance the "wasn't the Empire wonderful" posts.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
1 man 1 vote
Sounds like Singapore, here's[] the man and he's got the vote.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Highest paid pollies in the world I think, logic is if you pay them enough then they don't need to be corrupt. Seems to work for Singapore.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I am not denying that "we" stopped it, nor that it existed before "we" got there. What "we" did do was massively expand it and turn it into an international trade that dwarfed anything that existed before. I merely wished to raise that fact to balance the "wasn't the Empire wonderful" posts.
Ah, you mean we bought the black African slaves that the other black Africans were selling? Gotcha. Still, I can't help noticing that it was a rather lucrative trade well before we entered it. What with the Arabs buying and selling at such a pace that Africa was doing rather well out of it before we got there! Irony... Stopping the slave trade impoverished the West African States, discuss.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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And Exploration, and Trade, and Intelligence, and Technological Know How. All these poor put upon peoples tell of how the British came and ruled them... No, we came with better stuff, that is all. You had the same amount of time to develop technology, but didn't. So we turn up with our clever railways and telegraphs and advanced machines and are faced with backward peasants eating rice with their fingers. Is that any different to what EVERY other country in the world does? You have a bug up your arse about the British Empire, but you are the fruit of that empire. We invented just about everything, and you use it. If you feel that strongly, turn off the computer (British), stop using computer code (British), or the world wide web (British), and get on your bike( oh, wait, that is British too), and go and do something that does not involve British technology. Truth is, the world is as it is now, and no matter how hard you dislike it, you cannot change it. So build a bridge and get over it.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
You are projecting your own prejudices there about the way you imagine ex-colonials think. You are also forgetting I'm British, and I am proud of our inventions; but I am also not blind to the unpleasant episodes in our history.
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Ah, you mean we bought the black African slaves that the other black Africans were selling? Gotcha. Still, I can't help noticing that it was a rather lucrative trade well before we entered it. What with the Arabs buying and selling at such a pace that Africa was doing rather well out of it before we got there! Irony... Stopping the slave trade impoverished the West African States, discuss.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
In case you missed it first time:
viaducting wrote:
I am not denying that "we" stopped it, nor that it existed before "we" got there.
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No constitution, no country. US First President - George Washington (1789-1797) Google is a wonderful thing.
RCoate wrote:
No constitution, no country.
I believe the common term here is FAIL Hungary, as an example has a constitution that is less than 20 years old and yet has existed as a soverign state for over 1,000 years. The United Kingdom has never had a constitution and yet it is definitely a country. Russia? France? Germany? China? Japan? All were countries for centuries long before the concept of a constitution ever existed. I would hazard a guess that most of the Old World countries have been sovereign for longer without constitutions than with.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
