Programming is not a long term career
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The reason you don't see 'old' programmers is because programming itself isn't really that old.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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Those were all him? Okay, now I feel like an idiot as I'm a SF fan and can quote several of both Asimov's and -- ironically -- Heinlien's books. Obviously, I need to reread my Heinlien.
Take a look at "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" if you don't know it - 'tis my personal favorite
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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To those of you who program for a living, look around. How many programmers do you see who are older than 30? Older than 35? Older than 40? It's my guess that, as you proceed through the increasing ages, you will find fewer and fewer hands-on programmers. So what's that mean to younger programmers, say, in their twenties? I believe that it means that programming is not a long term career path. As programmers become older, they fall prey to the niceties of management (carpets, big desk, a door that closes, etc.). And as a result, fewer and fewer programmers have gray hair. Maybe a lot of managers do but few programmers do. I'm a lucky one. I continue to program. And I'm old! But I think I bring a far ranging experience to the table. I am cautioning young programmers to beware. Although you may think it is, programming is not a long term career.
Programmer develops itself quickly as Director for other programmers
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To those of you who program for a living, look around. How many programmers do you see who are older than 30? Older than 35? Older than 40? It's my guess that, as you proceed through the increasing ages, you will find fewer and fewer hands-on programmers. So what's that mean to younger programmers, say, in their twenties? I believe that it means that programming is not a long term career path. As programmers become older, they fall prey to the niceties of management (carpets, big desk, a door that closes, etc.). And as a result, fewer and fewer programmers have gray hair. Maybe a lot of managers do but few programmers do. I'm a lucky one. I continue to program. And I'm old! But I think I bring a far ranging experience to the table. I am cautioning young programmers to beware. Although you may think it is, programming is not a long term career.
Didn't CodeProject do a survey on this subject some time ago? I seem to recall there were a significant number of members with careers in IT lasting over 30 years. I'm one of them (36 years) and I've never been out of work for more than a few weeks. And I still enjoy programming as much as when I started. That was back in the year that Bill Gates founded Microsoft (whatever happened to them?).
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No, young programmers are perceived to be cheaper by management with little or no experience in these matters. Experience can ONLY be gained with age (though age in itself does not prove that anything has been LEARNED from experience!) and, regardless of the programming language, toolset, application etc.. etc.. there are things that are learned from (sometimes bitter) experience that can make older developers very much more cost-effective (not cheaper by the hour) than new graduates or even developers in their thirties. What's more, age tends to weed out those who aren't really passionate about programming - they become managers, salespeople, admininstrators etc. Find someone in their 50s who's still programming after 20 or 30 years, and you'll find a highly experienced, adaptable, enthusiastic individual who can add a lot more to a development project than just lines of code. I've been writing code in six different decades now (and still I'm only 52 - started in 1969) and was progressing up the technical seniority path in various organisations until they tried to push me into management. I jumped ship, went freelance, and just write code for a living these days. This year I'm on target to earn 6 times what I earned as a programming team leader in a major multinational (taking inflation into account) and am having much more fun! It certainly CAN be long-term if you want it to be and have the skills and mindset to do it.
I totally agree with you. I'm 57 and have been programming since 1971. I've worked full-time and freelance and enjoy programming. There have been opportunities to move into management but I've resisted because I'd rather spend my time researching and coding solutions rather than sitting in meetings.
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Take a look at "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" if you don't know it - 'tis my personal favorite
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Try reading "The Rolling Stones". Then watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode of Star Trek. My dad handed me that book when I was about 10 and I fell in love with SF. I'm a 54 year old programmer who started programming in 1974. Only one husband.
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Try reading "The Rolling Stones". Then watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode of Star Trek. My dad handed me that book when I was about 10 and I fell in love with SF. I'm a 54 year old programmer who started programming in 1974. Only one husband.
shughes618 wrote:
Try reading "The Rolling Stones". Then watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode of Star Trek. My dad handed me that book when I was about 10 and I fell in love with SF.
'Twas one of the first Heinleins I ever read. And reread. And reread. Did you know that Hazel Stone from "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is the grandmother in "Rolling Stones," appears briefly in "The Number of the Beast," and is the lead character in "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls?" Roddenberry actually paid R.A.H. $1,000 for a release because while Gerrold says he had no conscious intention of using the flatcats as models for the tribbles, the lawyers judged it was better to be safe than sorry.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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shughes618 wrote:
Try reading "The Rolling Stones". Then watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode of Star Trek. My dad handed me that book when I was about 10 and I fell in love with SF.
'Twas one of the first Heinleins I ever read. And reread. And reread. Did you know that Hazel Stone from "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is the grandmother in "Rolling Stones," appears briefly in "The Number of the Beast," and is the lead character in "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls?" Roddenberry actually paid R.A.H. $1,000 for a release because while Gerrold says he had no conscious intention of using the flatcats as models for the tribbles, the lawyers judged it was better to be safe than sorry.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
I didn't remember the details, but I did know that by the time he got to "The Number of the Beast" and "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls", he was tying together the characters from almost every book he ever wrote. It helps if you can pull from 6 to the 6th to the 6th power of universes. I haven't read any of Heinlein in a very long time. I think I'll re-read some of them.
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I didn't remember the details, but I did know that by the time he got to "The Number of the Beast" and "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls", he was tying together the characters from almost every book he ever wrote. It helps if you can pull from 6 to the 6th to the 6th power of universes. I haven't read any of Heinlein in a very long time. I think I'll re-read some of them.
shughes618 wrote:
I didn't remember the details, but I did know that by the time he got to "The Number of the Beast" and "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls",
Spider Robinson said that "the 'party scene' (In tNoB) was Heinlein's text farewell to the characters, books, writers, fans, and friends he loved; it was his love-letter to the people he'd worked with, and for, for over half a century, and he did it on purpose while his skills and health still allowed him to do it as well as he wanted to. You can find a concordance to that book here[^]
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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I think it depends where you are, when I worked at an AFB there were a lot of older programmers... you know, the ones that look like serial killers... ;P :laugh:
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Those were all him? Okay, now I feel like an idiot as I'm a SF fan and can quote several of both Asimov's and -- ironically -- Heinlien's books. Obviously, I need to reread my Heinlien.
Go find "Time Enough For Love". You'll find all these and more in the interludes, but they are attributed to Lazarus Long (aka Woodrow Wilson Smith). Definitely worth reading (over and over again)!
Jack Myers