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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    I would suggest sire that VS doth blow chunks. Every day I don't use it is better. :-D


    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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    Lost User
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    At the risk of sounding like an apologist: What IDE is better?

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      At the risk of sounding like an apologist: What IDE is better?

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      realJSOP
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      That's the problem. No other IDE exists that is even close to what Visual Studio is, even in its brain-dead and crippled state.

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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        At the risk of sounding like an apologist: What IDE is better?

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        Dan Neely
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        dip switches banks paired with 7 segment hex displays.

        3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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          At the risk of sounding like an apologist: What IDE is better?

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          I write very little code and when I do it's mostly Java these day. I quite like Netbeans. Or Notepad++ :-D


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            I write very little code and when I do it's mostly Java these day. I quite like Netbeans. Or Notepad++ :-D


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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            realJSOP
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            We're not talking about Java. We're talking about .Net web sites (at least, I am).

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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            • R realJSOP

              Why - after 11 frakking years of .Net availablity and FIVE iterations of Visual Studio - has Microsoft refused to add the ability to 0) Allows us to load the last loaded web site via the Recent Projects and Solutions menu item 1) Remember the files we had open when last we were in that web site project It's called "usability".

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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              Tomz_KV
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              I saw all the projects and web sites in the recent projects. All files opened last time will be still open when a project is loaded. Could be something missing in your installation.

              TOMZ_KV

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              • T Tomz_KV

                I saw all the projects and web sites in the recent projects. All files opened last time will be still open when a project is loaded. Could be something missing in your installation.

                TOMZ_KV

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                realJSOP
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                I see this behavior on all installed copies of Visual Studio (from 2005, when I started doing .Net, to 2010). Remember, I'm talking about a web SITE, not a web APP. To illustrate: 0) Start VS 1) Create a new web SITE from the menu, and open the default.aspx file. 2) Close VS 3) Open VS back up and check your recent projects/solutions menu - your new web SITE won't be there. 4) Go to File | Open | Web Site, and browse to and select the recently create site. The result is that whatever files you had open (in our case, "default.aspx", will NOT be opened automatically. In a fit of inconsistency, VS remembers the last web site you opened with step 4 above, but it can't remember the file you opened, nor add the most recently opened website to the recent projects menu.

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                • R realJSOP

                  Why - after 11 frakking years of .Net availablity and FIVE iterations of Visual Studio - has Microsoft refused to add the ability to 0) Allows us to load the last loaded web site via the Recent Projects and Solutions menu item 1) Remember the files we had open when last we were in that web site project It's called "usability".

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                  Allan Thomas
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                  It's all about the .sln file, that contains the list of 'active' files in the website, last open files and if you use vss also the checked in/out files. If you have created a web site but use the open web site option to open the 'project' it isn't loading a .sln file (with your last opened items) but just opening the directory that contains the website in the solution explorer. I had this problem when I had another developer give me a zipped website and took a few shots to get the .sln file and have it appear in the recent project list.

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                  • R realJSOP

                    We're not talking about Java. We're talking about .Net web sites (at least, I am).

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                    -----
                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                    Nagy Vilmos
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                    I was only answering the [secondary] question. Unfortunately, I think you're stuck with VS.


                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                    • A Allan Thomas

                      It's all about the .sln file, that contains the list of 'active' files in the website, last open files and if you use vss also the checked in/out files. If you have created a web site but use the open web site option to open the 'project' it isn't loading a .sln file (with your last opened items) but just opening the directory that contains the website in the solution explorer. I had this problem when I had another developer give me a zipped website and took a few shots to get the .sln file and have it appear in the recent project list.

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                      realJSOP
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                      I know why it's happening - I'm merely complaining about it.

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                      • R realJSOP

                        I see this behavior on all installed copies of Visual Studio (from 2005, when I started doing .Net, to 2010). Remember, I'm talking about a web SITE, not a web APP. To illustrate: 0) Start VS 1) Create a new web SITE from the menu, and open the default.aspx file. 2) Close VS 3) Open VS back up and check your recent projects/solutions menu - your new web SITE won't be there. 4) Go to File | Open | Web Site, and browse to and select the recently create site. The result is that whatever files you had open (in our case, "default.aspx", will NOT be opened automatically. In a fit of inconsistency, VS remembers the last web site you opened with step 4 above, but it can't remember the file you opened, nor add the most recently opened website to the recent projects menu.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                        Tomz_KV
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                        I followed your steps and these are what I got: The web site I created did show up the the "Recent Projects" list but the default.aspx which was opened previously did not open when the web site was loaded. I double clicked to open the file. However, I closed the VS and started again, and this time, the default.aspx was loaded automatically. The behaviors were not consistant. With so many programs installed and windows update frequently, it is possible that a different behavior on different machine is observed.

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                        • D Dan Neely

                          dip switches banks paired with 7 segment hex displays.

                          3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                          Lost User
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                          Switches and hex displays are ok, but slow. I always went with the 15$ more expensive option: Hex keypad.

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                          "Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan Kenobi

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                            Why - after 11 frakking years of .Net availablity and FIVE iterations of Visual Studio - has Microsoft refused to add the ability to 0) Allows us to load the last loaded web site via the Recent Projects and Solutions menu item 1) Remember the files we had open when last we were in that web site project It's called "usability".

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                            Peter Mulholland
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                            Cause they still don't believe that whole "web thing" will take off?

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                            • R realJSOP

                              I see this behavior on all installed copies of Visual Studio (from 2005, when I started doing .Net, to 2010). Remember, I'm talking about a web SITE, not a web APP. To illustrate: 0) Start VS 1) Create a new web SITE from the menu, and open the default.aspx file. 2) Close VS 3) Open VS back up and check your recent projects/solutions menu - your new web SITE won't be there. 4) Go to File | Open | Web Site, and browse to and select the recently create site. The result is that whatever files you had open (in our case, "default.aspx", will NOT be opened automatically. In a fit of inconsistency, VS remembers the last web site you opened with step 4 above, but it can't remember the file you opened, nor add the most recently opened website to the recent projects menu.

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                              -----
                              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                              -----
                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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                              Zaibot
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                              There's a big difference between web APP and web SITES. This is because a web APP creates a project and is seen as (C#/VB.NET/...) library project in VS and it's project configuration is set for deploying websites. However a web SITES is a folder with a web.config and no project file, it's not seen as project by VS. A web site also does not need to be compiled, this is done by IIS or the WebDev server. If you want more details go to MSDN =P I usually create web APPS mainly because it's a C# library project (in my case =)). P.S. It's possible to convert your websites to webapps by clicking with your right mouse button on the project and selecting 'Convert to Web Application' or something like that.

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