Smart individuals
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Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows the fool?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Is it the fool who spoke those lines or the fool that wrote them. Honestly, the worst lines in any star wars film.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows the fool?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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Sometimes people market themselves so well that they continue to be regarded as geniuses, despite all the mistakes they make. There's nothing you can do about it, and no good reason to 'compete' with a colleague. Keep doing the best you can, and working towards making sure your projects are delivered on time and to a good quality. If this guy really sucks that bad, they'll notice eventually.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Sometimes people market themselves so well that they continue to be regarded as geniuses, despite all the mistakes they make. There's nothing you can do about it, and no good reason to 'compete' with a colleague. Keep doing the best you can, and working towards making sure your projects are delivered on time and to a good quality. If this guy really sucks that bad, they'll notice eventually.
Alternately, he could just smash him in the mouth.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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JacquesDP wrote:
In my experience, actions speak louder than words.
Only if someone of importance sees the actions.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
I do, that's the most important, you have to be happy with the work that you deliver. If nobody of importance in the company sees your work, and it come to the point where it influences your growth, both within the company as well as financially (we all love the money), hey then its time to move on.
No matter how long he who laughs last laughs, he who laughs first has a head start!
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The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
"Do you not see? That if we kill him with the pill from the till by making with it the drug in the jug, you need not light the Candle with handle on the Gateau from the Chateau!" I suppose it is the only way to get our hands on "The Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies"
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Christian Graus wrote:
Sometimes people market themselves so well that they continue to be regarded as geniuses, despite all the mistakes they make. There's nothing you can do about it, and no good reason to 'compete' with a colleague. Keep doing the best you can, and working towards making sure your projects are delivered on time and to a good quality. If this guy really sucks that bad, they'll notice eventually.
Alternately, he could just smash him in the mouth.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
It may not do much for a harmonious work atmosphere, but sometimes it just feels so good! I have stand up blazing rows with my MD sometimes, (because I will not put up with crap, and nor will I be intimidated), and then it all calms down and we are chums again, but you should see other peoples faces when we are going at it hammer and tong! :)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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and then promoted to management!
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Is it the fool who spoke those lines or the fool that wrote them. Honestly, the worst lines in any star wars film.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
the worst lines in any star wars film
Of course they aren't. They were until they introduced Jar Jar Binks.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows the fool?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
I have a really bad feeling about this.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
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It may not do much for a harmonious work atmosphere, but sometimes it just feels so good! I have stand up blazing rows with my MD sometimes, (because I will not put up with crap, and nor will I be intimidated), and then it all calms down and we are chums again, but you should see other peoples faces when we are going at it hammer and tong! :)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
hammer and tong
Just the one tong? ;)
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Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows the fool?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
I pity the fool.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the worst lines in any star wars film
Of course they aren't. They were until they introduced Jar Jar Binks.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Just to make things better[^], forward to ~55 seconds.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Dalek Dave wrote:
hammer and tong
Just the one tong? ;)
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Hello Great People, Recently, we had a new hire in our team joined as a Sr. Software Eng (I am called the same). The management was very happy about the new join, they were thrilled and believed he was one of the smartest; and was smarter than most of us. The new guy is chess champ, won few programming contests etc. Yes, when you talk to him you can definitely say he was smart and he knew it too; all confident etc. Some of us were annoyed, some worried about all the hype/attention he was getting. Couple of months passed as the management is not happy with him. According to him, writing i18n bundles (for the error codes you add), reviewing test cases, updating sprint backlogs are very low level jobs and they should be assigned to jr developers. I happened to review his code (along with an sr architect) and his code is not as smart as he talks. I am sure that I am not a smart individual as my new colleague; I was curious why the management gave so much hype about him. Any comments?
"smarter than most of us" - that would kind of concern me(see the final line)... Being brilliant and being someone who can communicate with others are not necessarily connected - where I work we tend more towards hiring people who will get on with the team than hiring a savant. My experience is that it is easier to learn what one does not know technically than learn how to communicate... This sounds like a case of the managers congratulating themselves on how brilliant they are rather than appreciating people like you who keep them in a job...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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Oddly, a Chinese friend of mine had never heard of Weng-Chiang.
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Hello Great People, Recently, we had a new hire in our team joined as a Sr. Software Eng (I am called the same). The management was very happy about the new join, they were thrilled and believed he was one of the smartest; and was smarter than most of us. The new guy is chess champ, won few programming contests etc. Yes, when you talk to him you can definitely say he was smart and he knew it too; all confident etc. Some of us were annoyed, some worried about all the hype/attention he was getting. Couple of months passed as the management is not happy with him. According to him, writing i18n bundles (for the error codes you add), reviewing test cases, updating sprint backlogs are very low level jobs and they should be assigned to jr developers. I happened to review his code (along with an sr architect) and his code is not as smart as he talks. I am sure that I am not a smart individual as my new colleague; I was curious why the management gave so much hype about him. Any comments?
Smartness (even if genuine) doesn't translate directly into being a good developer. You also need discipline, people skills and the ability to break down a problem into pieces of the right size – and yes, not get bored of the tasks like those you describe that most of us would rather pass on to someone else if we can.
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Sometimes people market themselves so well that they continue to be regarded as geniuses, despite all the mistakes they make. There's nothing you can do about it, and no good reason to 'compete' with a colleague. Keep doing the best you can, and working towards making sure your projects are delivered on time and to a good quality. If this guy really sucks that bad, they'll notice eventually.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Also, sometimes really smart chaps decide early on that they're too good to work like the rest of us... Or they're simply not as smart as they think they are. Funny this should come up twice today, an ex-colleague just sent me this link to a wiki page with reference to a mutual acquaintance who exhibits this tendency to a truly, quiveringly, frightening degree... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect[^] I think this calls for bacon.
Smokie, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. www.geticeberg.com http://melpadden.wordpress.com
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Hello Great People, Recently, we had a new hire in our team joined as a Sr. Software Eng (I am called the same). The management was very happy about the new join, they were thrilled and believed he was one of the smartest; and was smarter than most of us. The new guy is chess champ, won few programming contests etc. Yes, when you talk to him you can definitely say he was smart and he knew it too; all confident etc. Some of us were annoyed, some worried about all the hype/attention he was getting. Couple of months passed as the management is not happy with him. According to him, writing i18n bundles (for the error codes you add), reviewing test cases, updating sprint backlogs are very low level jobs and they should be assigned to jr developers. I happened to review his code (along with an sr architect) and his code is not as smart as he talks. I am sure that I am not a smart individual as my new colleague; I was curious why the management gave so much hype about him. Any comments?
People sell themselves and others believe them because either they don't have the time or the resources to debunk the other's stories, or because they are so desperate for someone like that person they are happy to be decieved. If the person truly is a big asset then no, you don't get them doing low-level stuff that cheaper developers can do - it's a waste of a salary. However, if you're paying them the big buck then you should expect big work from them and management should do a formal review with the employee and if he's all talk send him packing with no reference. Karma.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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"smarter than most of us" - that would kind of concern me(see the final line)... Being brilliant and being someone who can communicate with others are not necessarily connected - where I work we tend more towards hiring people who will get on with the team than hiring a savant. My experience is that it is easier to learn what one does not know technically than learn how to communicate... This sounds like a case of the managers congratulating themselves on how brilliant they are rather than appreciating people like you who keep them in a job...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
Thanks. That was kind of soothing. I just want to share something. I am in the industry for 4 yours (its been 4 years I passed out of college) and my manger for 25 years, he would have seen people who are extremely smart and good team members. The team is relatively young now and he might be missing those kind of people. As a individual, I try to put my best efforts, learn from my mistakes, don't repeat them and always to work as team, work hard; by doing so, I hope I would be a better developer in future.