The continuing saga of bad code [modified]
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Would be nice if I were financially independent and could pick and choose the contracts, or just quit after starting and seeing the mess.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
without messes, there wouldn't be work...
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OK, so I've gotten past the no source control and no dev database. Now to build the site and step through it...no so fast. VS reports so many errors it stops recording them. When asked, the response was, "We've never built the site". :wtf: How do you use it then? "We deploy it and let it compile on the server when someone hits it the first time". :wtf: Did I mention the huge monolithic classes, 400 lines in one page load event alone, no layers, hard coded business logic. Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB. :-D
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
modified on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
you know, Python is a simple clean language and I really haven't seen many bad examples. The question is 'Why does VB attract bad coding?' Maybe because it's touted as the 'easier' way to program. I also started learning programming from VBA in MS Office and wrestled with what .net language I would learn to get involved in .net. I chose C# because it was too hard for me to grasp concepts in VB.net that were totally different from VBA. This could be similar to VB.net users in general. They don't get out of the box of VB 6 programming. Very procedural and functional.
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OK, so I've gotten past the no source control and no dev database. Now to build the site and step through it...no so fast. VS reports so many errors it stops recording them. When asked, the response was, "We've never built the site". :wtf: How do you use it then? "We deploy it and let it compile on the server when someone hits it the first time". :wtf: Did I mention the huge monolithic classes, 400 lines in one page load event alone, no layers, hard coded business logic. Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB. :-D
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
modified on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
Mark Nischalke wrote:
Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB.
Uh huh. And of course no one ever writes bad code in C# or C++, right? ;)
XAlan Burkhart
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OK, so I've gotten past the no source control and no dev database. Now to build the site and step through it...no so fast. VS reports so many errors it stops recording them. When asked, the response was, "We've never built the site". :wtf: How do you use it then? "We deploy it and let it compile on the server when someone hits it the first time". :wtf: Did I mention the huge monolithic classes, 400 lines in one page load event alone, no layers, hard coded business logic. Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB. :-D
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
modified on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
VB is indeed the problem. Because when you start an application design with the decision to use VB, you know the rest of the design decisions will not be good. The only hope for a VB project is to involve someone who clearly doesn't want to be there.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB.
If MS did away with VB those coders would code crap in C#, and then you would have no warning that it was going to be poorly written code. The way it is now, if you're called in on a VB project you can be fairly certain you are going to see horrors beyond comprehension. With C# you can expect it to be decent. There are exceptions in both languages of course, but by there definition exceptions are rare...
Even though I am not a VB coder (I prefer C#), there is a reason to celebrate VB! Let's keep C# clean.
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OK, so I've gotten past the no source control and no dev database. Now to build the site and step through it...no so fast. VS reports so many errors it stops recording them. When asked, the response was, "We've never built the site". :wtf: How do you use it then? "We deploy it and let it compile on the server when someone hits it the first time". :wtf: Did I mention the huge monolithic classes, 400 lines in one page load event alone, no layers, hard coded business logic. Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB. :-D
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
modified on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
The reason for this is the language unfortunately. VB - Originally WB, but Microsoft was scared that too many people will start calling it Wanna Be, coz thats who it really caters for. They just didn't want to make it obvious that, that was their market aim. ;P
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." << please vote!! >>
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OK, so I've gotten past the no source control and no dev database. Now to build the site and step through it...no so fast. VS reports so many errors it stops recording them. When asked, the response was, "We've never built the site". :wtf: How do you use it then? "We deploy it and let it compile on the server when someone hits it the first time". :wtf: Did I mention the huge monolithic classes, 400 lines in one page load event alone, no layers, hard coded business logic. Not to get into the religious debate about languages but everytime I run into VB projects this is the quality I find. Software development would be so much better if Microsoft would just discontinue VB. :-D
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
modified on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
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Blaming VB for run-on and spaghetti code is like blaming Ford because the Taurus you rented has bald tires. If VB were discontinued, all those lousy developers would be making even lousier C# or C++ code.
This thread is so last week. Where have you been? "Blame" has been called by all of you trying to defend the practices that are progated by the poor langauge and practitionors of it. Thanks for contributing.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Why are you getting so upset over an opinion?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Because it is clearly wrong, lol. (And thats how wars start)
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I disagree - I've got that crap in C# code..