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    Jalapeno Bob
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    How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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      How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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      Slacker007
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      How's it going rottenroddy? Long time no hear from.

      ----------------------------- Just along for the ride. -----------------------------

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      • J Jalapeno Bob

        How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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        Maximilien
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        In Montreal : It's hot, yes, but not that hot ... 1. If they close the AC, then it will be impossible to work. 2. If they blackouts the electricity, then we (I) cannot work. 3. It's not that hot... if a bridge made in concrete collapse because of the heat, then not much would stand in real hot countries.. 4. It does not work like that, if toilets on the upper floor do not work, then the people on those floors will go down to lower floor and use the toilets there and use the same amount of water.

        Watched code never compiles.

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          In Montreal : It's hot, yes, but not that hot ... 1. If they close the AC, then it will be impossible to work. 2. If they blackouts the electricity, then we (I) cannot work. 3. It's not that hot... if a bridge made in concrete collapse because of the heat, then not much would stand in real hot countries.. 4. It does not work like that, if toilets on the upper floor do not work, then the people on those floors will go down to lower floor and use the toilets there and use the same amount of water.

          Watched code never compiles.

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          Jalapeno Bob
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          Maximilien: Civil engineers design structures with a limited amount of heat expansion designed in. In real hot countries, contraction due to extreme and prolonged cold weather would be likely to cause similar problems.

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            Maximilien: Civil engineers design structures with a limited amount of heat expansion designed in. In real hot countries, contraction due to extreme and prolonged cold weather would be likely to cause similar problems.

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            wizardzz
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            True, I'm not sure, but I think even the recipe for concrete used changes among climates.

            "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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            • J Jalapeno Bob

              How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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              Dan Neely
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              Jalapeno Bob wrote:

              1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power.

              we're signed up for this, aside from a test on a comfortable day we've never implemented it. I'd flee for home and air conditioning before it got so hot I fumigated the building. X|

              Jalapeno Bob wrote:

              2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day.

              Our UPS farm has lasted through 3+ hours of blackout. On a hot day I'd flee for home.

              Jalapeno Bob wrote:

              3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers.

              Most of us have jobs where we can work from home. Would really suck for the rest of them though.

              Jalapeno Bob wrote:

              4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

              2 story building, so technically N/A; but since we flush with gray water we might be ok anyway.

              3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                True, I'm not sure, but I think even the recipe for concrete used changes among climates.

                "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                Jalapeno Bob
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                You are correct.

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                • J Jalapeno Bob

                  How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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                  Kschuler
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                  Our building has a generator. On very hot or very cold days we'll get notification from the engergy company that we are going to be controlled so we just switch to generator power. The power goes out for a couple of seconds then comes back on...so all of our computers have UPSs so that we don't have to worry about losing our work during the switch over. We actually switched over just a couple hours ago because it's 91 F and 80% humidity today. Head index is supposed to hit 103.

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                  • J Jalapeno Bob

                    How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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                    Uros Calakovic
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                    I think we got them pretty well covered: 1. :beer: 2. :beer: :beer: :beer: 3. :beer: 4. :beer: although we may need to do a dry run before implementing 4.

                    The bearing of a child takes nine months, no matter how many women are assigned.

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                    • J Jalapeno Bob

                      Maximilien: Civil engineers design structures with a limited amount of heat expansion designed in. In real hot countries, contraction due to extreme and prolonged cold weather would be likely to cause similar problems.

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                      Maximilien
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                      Concrete structures are created with different type of recipes depending on their usage. anyway, I think expansion/contraction is taken into account in the structural computations, and even extreme heat and cold are taken into account (with a margin of error and risk assessment).

                      Watched code never compiles.

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                        In Montreal : It's hot, yes, but not that hot ... 1. If they close the AC, then it will be impossible to work. 2. If they blackouts the electricity, then we (I) cannot work. 3. It's not that hot... if a bridge made in concrete collapse because of the heat, then not much would stand in real hot countries.. 4. It does not work like that, if toilets on the upper floor do not work, then the people on those floors will go down to lower floor and use the toilets there and use the same amount of water.

                        Watched code never compiles.

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                        Gregory Gadow
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                        I work in a "secure" building, which means that the doors to stairwell can be opened from the office side but not from the stair side: once you go in, the only way out is all the way down. And it is a long way down when you work on the 28th floor. If the electricity is off, my building is uninhabitable.

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                          Concrete structures are created with different type of recipes depending on their usage. anyway, I think expansion/contraction is taken into account in the structural computations, and even extreme heat and cold are taken into account (with a margin of error and risk assessment).

                          Watched code never compiles.

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                          lewax00
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                          To some extent, but if adding that temperature flexibility compromises something else, then they'll only make it withstand extremes to a certain probability. I don't know the specifics of concrete so this may not matter, but I do know that for example some of the bridges in my town are only built to withstand floods in the 20 year flood plain, because building for less likely floods was too expensive.

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                          • J Jalapeno Bob

                            How many of you work for organizations that have business continuity plans in place for dealing with the fall-out from the current heat wave? Consider, for example, the following scenarios: 1. The power company tells your organization to turn off air conditioning due to excessive demand for electrical power. 2. The power company institutes 2 hour rolling blackouts that will shut down some or all of your locations every day. 3. Heat-related infrastructure failures, such as road bucklings and bridge collapses, double or triple the commute time of your coworkers. 4. To conserve water, the local water company halves the water pressure, rendering many rest rooms, especially those on upper floors, in your locations unusable and leaving the working ones overloaded.

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                            Gregory Gadow
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                            Fortunately, my building would be exempt from 1 and 2. The primary Internet trunk for the western United States has one of its main junctions here, and power interruption would shut down net service for about 20% of the country and cause overloads elsewhere as traffic was rerouted. Because of the junction, several telephone and cable companies have entire floors in the building (three, for AT&T) to hold their switching equipment: I would rather not think of them going down. Turning off the air conditioning would cause the equipment to overheat very quickly, and simply shutting it all down just ain't gonna happen. As for 3, we have a disaster contingency for use with earthquake, tsunami, snowmageddon and other situations where we cannot get enough staff in. As long as the internet remains up, most employees can remote in. Every employee with remote access also works from home one day a month, to keep in practice. As for 4, not likely to happen in Seattle. If the water supply were to become so bad that rationing went into effect, we would have far more to worry about than keeping employees in the building :rolleyes:

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                              To some extent, but if adding that temperature flexibility compromises something else, then they'll only make it withstand extremes to a certain probability. I don't know the specifics of concrete so this may not matter, but I do know that for example some of the bridges in my town are only built to withstand floods in the 20 year flood plain, because building for less likely floods was too expensive.

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                              Maximilien
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                              That's why I also talked about risk assessment. The engineers will certify a structure to withstand a certain level of stress (including heat induced expansion and contraction); this is done according to the requirements and specification of the structure.

                              Watched code never compiles.

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