Inside gossip from Microsoft
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In a leaked internal email[^], Microsoft big wig Steven Sinofsky spoke on the lack of .NET dev options in the Windows 8 bits demoed so far, saying,
We didn’t talk about XAML at All things D for a reason — we wanted the focus to be on the new things, and to carefully release information a little at a time. We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk, but it was a bit bigger than we expected. To be clear, we never said that Web UI was the only approach, we just wanted to let a little bit out.
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Judah Himango -
In a leaked internal email[^], Microsoft big wig Steven Sinofsky spoke on the lack of .NET dev options in the Windows 8 bits demoed so far, saying,
We didn’t talk about XAML at All things D for a reason — we wanted the focus to be on the new things, and to carefully release information a little at a time. We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk, but it was a bit bigger than we expected. To be clear, we never said that Web UI was the only approach, we just wanted to let a little bit out.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoSteve wrote:
we just wanted to let a little bit out
Steve wrote:
it was a bit bigger than we expected
That doesn't change a thing. He who smelt it dealt it.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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In a leaked internal email[^], Microsoft big wig Steven Sinofsky spoke on the lack of .NET dev options in the Windows 8 bits demoed so far, saying,
We didn’t talk about XAML at All things D for a reason — we wanted the focus to be on the new things, and to carefully release information a little at a time. We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk, but it was a bit bigger than we expected. To be clear, we never said that Web UI was the only approach, we just wanted to let a little bit out.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk
After insisting for years that we all embrace the .NET paradigm to exclusion of all else, and after all of us devoting great effort to learn it, when we express dismay that we've wasted our time, it's minimized as simple "knee jerk reaction." :suss::mad:
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Judah Himango wrote:
We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk
After insisting for years that we all embrace the .NET paradigm to exclusion of all else, and after all of us devoting great effort to learn it, when we express dismay that we've wasted our time, it's minimized as simple "knee jerk reaction." :suss::mad:
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Meh. New UI features in Vista and Windows 7 were mostly available first via unmanaged APIs, with some managed wrappers. Early hints of deep integration for WPF apps were mostly unrealized. If you're feeling that your time has been wasted, you should've started feeling that way long before some early next-gen demo.
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Judah Himango wrote:
We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk
After insisting for years that we all embrace the .NET paradigm to exclusion of all else, and after all of us devoting great effort to learn it, when we express dismay that we've wasted our time, it's minimized as simple "knee jerk reaction." :suss::mad:
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Steven Sinofsky wrote:
To be clear, we never said that Web UI was the only approach ...
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
... we've wasted our time ...
Seems like a knee-jerk reaction to me. Microsoft say, "You can use this new technology to build applications for Windows 8". You reply with, ".NET is DEAD! Microsoft have boned us all!" Microsoft say, "No, that's not what we meant. You can still use .NET, WPF, etc; it's just that you can use this new technology as well." You reply with, "We've all wasted our time learning .NET! Screw you, Microsoft, I'm going home!" :wtf:
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In a leaked internal email[^], Microsoft big wig Steven Sinofsky spoke on the lack of .NET dev options in the Windows 8 bits demoed so far, saying,
We didn’t talk about XAML at All things D for a reason — we wanted the focus to be on the new things, and to carefully release information a little at a time. We anticipated some knee jerk reaction from the .NET folk, but it was a bit bigger than we expected. To be clear, we never said that Web UI was the only approach, we just wanted to let a little bit out.
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoActually if you read the article, what you're pointing to is Mr. Barnes paraphrasing what someone else wrote what is claimed that Steven Sinofsky spoke at a "Welcome to the Windows Division" meeting (which is an internal "rookies meet the veterans" meet and greet style meeting that points out some of upper and middle management, the tasks various teams are working on along with demos). Meaning that isn't actually what Steven Sinofsky said, just someone else's interpretation, then paraphrased for maximum impact. The first two sentences of the blog page you pointed us to tell you this:
Today, I got some inside gossip again. Usual heads up on the Windows 8 roadmap etc, but what struck a chord with me today was how Steve Sinofsky invoked my name when addressing the troops within the “Welcome to Windows Division”.
To paraphrase what was said:
For the record, I am a former Microsoft employee and have heard Steven Sinofsky and others speak a number of times at these meetings, that's how I know how they work. It's more likely that the paragraph attributed to Sinofsky, the only truly accurate sentence in the whole "quote" is the first two or three. It's also likely that anything that was said about Mr Barnes was in response to a question by a new person who follows Mr Barnes. Next, Sinofsky would NEVER say "We are Microsoft" and then finish with those to sentences in that that manner. That's more of Ballmer's style, Sinofsky is way more politically correct. It's more likely that what Sinofsky said (remember I've heard him speak) went something like this: "We made a decision to take this approach and we believe that it's right for the users and that the developers will agree, which will make this good for Microsoft and the shareholders in the end..." My guess, Mr Barnes is trying to raise his hit-count by making it look like Microsoft is singling him out as the sole voice of dissent.
Mike Poz
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Actually if you read the article, what you're pointing to is Mr. Barnes paraphrasing what someone else wrote what is claimed that Steven Sinofsky spoke at a "Welcome to the Windows Division" meeting (which is an internal "rookies meet the veterans" meet and greet style meeting that points out some of upper and middle management, the tasks various teams are working on along with demos). Meaning that isn't actually what Steven Sinofsky said, just someone else's interpretation, then paraphrased for maximum impact. The first two sentences of the blog page you pointed us to tell you this:
Today, I got some inside gossip again. Usual heads up on the Windows 8 roadmap etc, but what struck a chord with me today was how Steve Sinofsky invoked my name when addressing the troops within the “Welcome to Windows Division”.
To paraphrase what was said:
For the record, I am a former Microsoft employee and have heard Steven Sinofsky and others speak a number of times at these meetings, that's how I know how they work. It's more likely that the paragraph attributed to Sinofsky, the only truly accurate sentence in the whole "quote" is the first two or three. It's also likely that anything that was said about Mr Barnes was in response to a question by a new person who follows Mr Barnes. Next, Sinofsky would NEVER say "We are Microsoft" and then finish with those to sentences in that that manner. That's more of Ballmer's style, Sinofsky is way more politically correct. It's more likely that what Sinofsky said (remember I've heard him speak) went something like this: "We made a decision to take this approach and we believe that it's right for the users and that the developers will agree, which will make this good for Microsoft and the shareholders in the end..." My guess, Mr Barnes is trying to raise his hit-count by making it look like Microsoft is singling him out as the sole voice of dissent.
Mike Poz
Good point, and I missed the part where he said it was a paraphrase. Oh man. You're right about Barnes. +5
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Judah Himango
