Opinions on the UK rioters
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I do not know what UK laws say to this, but I am glad that here no military units may be used to do the police's work. Even if that may be practical now, it might one day also be misused, usually meaning nothing good for the country and for the people.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan KenobiIn the US, the National Guard(sub-branch of the Army) has been used in situations such as this, like the riots in Chicago in 1968. [^] [^] A friend of mine actually works with a guy that was one of the guardsmen deployed during one of the riots. He got stabbed in the leg by a rioter, so he turned and shot at him. He says he has no clue what happened to the guy...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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In the US, the National Guard(sub-branch of the Army) has been used in situations such as this, like the riots in Chicago in 1968. [^] [^] A friend of mine actually works with a guy that was one of the guardsmen deployed during one of the riots. He got stabbed in the leg by a rioter, so he turned and shot at him. He says he has no clue what happened to the guy...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Luckily, this is absolutely no question here in Germany, mostly for historical reasons. But such a situation which can only be resolved by sending in the army are also unthinkable here. And when I was in the military, I was glad that I would under no circumstances have to stand there and shoot at our own people.
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Luckily, this is absolutely no question here in Germany, mostly for historical reasons. But such a situation which can only be resolved by sending in the army are also unthinkable here. And when I was in the military, I was glad that I would under no circumstances have to stand there and shoot at our own people.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan KenobiCDP1802 wrote:
But such a situation which can only be resolved by sending in the army are also unthinkable here.
Yeah, I can't think of any recent times when the National Guard was called in for a situation like that. A lot of the time the National Guard is used for things like reinforcing the banks of large rivers when there is flooding.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Which category does what you just said fall into?? :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
76.5% of me wants to say the former...
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In the US, the National Guard(sub-branch of the Army) has been used in situations such as this, like the riots in Chicago in 1968. [^] [^] A friend of mine actually works with a guy that was one of the guardsmen deployed during one of the riots. He got stabbed in the leg by a rioter, so he turned and shot at him. He says he has no clue what happened to the guy...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
More recently in the Rodney King riots[^] ~4k National Guard Soldiers and Marines were sent to back up the LAPD. That lead to one major snafu[^] when the cops borrowed a few Marines while responding to a domestic dispute: Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by Marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled “cover me!” to the Marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. The police officer had not meant “shoot” when he yelled “cover me” to the Marines. [He] meant point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the Marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where “cover me” means provide me with cover using firepower. Over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house.” Edit: Fixed URL
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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CDP1802 wrote:
But such a situation which can only be resolved by sending in the army are also unthinkable here.
Yeah, I can't think of any recent times when the National Guard was called in for a situation like that. A lot of the time the National Guard is used for things like reinforcing the banks of large rivers when there is flooding.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Aid in an emergency situation or natural desasters is of course another thing. Usually the people are glad to be rescued by some soldiers in a boat or helicopter when they are sitting on the roof of their house after a flood.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan Kenobi -
More recently in the Rodney King riots[^] ~4k National Guard Soldiers and Marines were sent to back up the LAPD. That lead to one major snafu[^] when the cops borrowed a few Marines while responding to a domestic dispute: Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by Marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled “cover me!” to the Marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. The police officer had not meant “shoot” when he yelled “cover me” to the Marines. [He] meant point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the Marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where “cover me” means provide me with cover using firepower. Over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house.” Edit: Fixed URL
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Dan Neely wrote:
Broken... :((
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Dan Neely wrote:
Broken... :((
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
Dan Neely wrote:
Broken... :((
:sigh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Luckily, this is absolutely no question here in Germany, mostly for historical reasons. But such a situation which can only be resolved by sending in the army are also unthinkable here. And when I was in the military, I was glad that I would under no circumstances have to stand there and shoot at our own people.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan KenobiYes but last time I was in Germany the police were armed. Not for 'special' occasions such as these riots, but all the time. The carrying, and possible use, of firearms would be the only reason to call in The Army over here, your guys are already prepared for that.
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Luckily, this is absolutely no question here in Germany, mostly for historical reasons. But such a situation which can only be resolved by sending in the army are also unthinkable here. And when I was in the military, I was glad that I would under no circumstances have to stand there and shoot at our own people.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan Kenobi -
Yes but last time I was in Germany the police were armed. Not for 'special' occasions such as these riots, but all the time. The carrying, and possible use, of firearms would be the only reason to call in The Army over here, your guys are already prepared for that.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Sad, but true. The days when at least the policemen in smaller towns could go on duty without weapons are over. They have them for self defense and can never know what to expect when they are called. 20 years ago, when we got East Germany back, I saw myself how easily you could trade some assault rifles from the Russians who were stll there at that time. Since then things appear to have become tougher for the police and by now they also try to be prepared for terrorism.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan Kenobi -
More recently in the Rodney King riots[^] ~4k National Guard Soldiers and Marines were sent to back up the LAPD. That lead to one major snafu[^] when the cops borrowed a few Marines while responding to a domestic dispute: Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by Marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled “cover me!” to the Marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. The police officer had not meant “shoot” when he yelled “cover me” to the Marines. [He] meant point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the Marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where “cover me” means provide me with cover using firepower. Over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house.” Edit: Fixed URL
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
modified on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:37 AM
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Exactly that not, at least as this small part of the former first verse of our anthem is usually misunderstood.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan KenobiYou want it or not, bad or good connotations, Germany is "uber alles" in many ways. I am not german but I can appreciate "a people" for their traits (coincidence or not I root for the "Die DFB-Elf" or "Die Mannschaft" as the outsiders call it. Anyway, I personally know what the first verse of your anthem alludes to and regarding the missunderstantings, well it is not the only country with a dark past. But I digress, this is for another discussion. More, I am afraid less open minded people will missunderstand what I am saying. Cheers.
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That's the tiny difference between policemen and soldiers.
"Dark the dark side is. Very dark..." - Yoda ---
"Shut up, Yoda, and just make yourself another toast." - Obi Wan KenobiThere're equally large differences[^] between services.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius