May they rot in hell for eternity
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What kind of question is that?
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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Why don't you tell us first?
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Pedophilia is, I am afraid, quite common. According to a number of studies somewhere around one in five women and one in six men have been abused. The vast majority of them are abused not by clergy or boy scout leaders or any of the other popular stereotypes, but by family members or close family friends. This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported - but focusing too much on the Catholic Church as a source of pedophilia is, to my mind, looking away from the real problem. Whatever hypocrisy is shown by the priesthood as they protect their own - how much greater is the hypocrisy of families - mothers hiding abuse by fathers, older brothers, grandfathers, and uncles, and forcing their sons and daughter to keep quiet - even blame themselves?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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IMO they have to ditch the celibacy if they want a healthy Church. Remember “The thorn Birds”?
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IMO they have to ditch the celibacy if they want a healthy Church. Remember “The thorn Birds”?
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
IMO they have to ditch the celibacy
I've never tried celibacy - what's it like? ;)
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Oakman wrote:
I've never tried celibacy
I don’t believe you; I know you have been married.
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Pedophilia is, I am afraid, quite common. According to a number of studies somewhere around one in five women and one in six men have been abused. The vast majority of them are abused not by clergy or boy scout leaders or any of the other popular stereotypes, but by family members or close family friends. This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported - but focusing too much on the Catholic Church as a source of pedophilia is, to my mind, looking away from the real problem. Whatever hypocrisy is shown by the priesthood as they protect their own - how much greater is the hypocrisy of families - mothers hiding abuse by fathers, older brothers, grandfathers, and uncles, and forcing their sons and daughter to keep quiet - even blame themselves?
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported - but focusing too much on the Catholic Church as a source of pedophilia is, to my mind, looking away from the real problem. Whatever hypocrisy is shown by the priesthood as they protect their own -
Some things do however spring to mind. For example those families are not tax exempt institutions. There is also no wide ranging conspiracy with hundreds if not thousands of individuals complicit in it.
Oakman wrote:
how much greater is the hypocrisy of families - mothers hiding abuse by fathers, older brothers, grandfathers, and uncles, and forcing their sons and daughter to keep quiet - even blame themselves?
Which is nothing but a very, very poor attempt to deflect blame. First every sexual crime is very likely to cause the victim to blame themselves. Actually most serious crime of any sort does that. Second is is common sense to see that the church is vastly more hypocritical. The Catholic church has for centuries has made a significant point of condemning sex of any sort excluding that between a married man and women (and still limits that with a ban on any sort of birth control.) And they have done so via a vast number of public forums. Additionally the priesthood is specifically prohibited from any sex as well. A substantial point of their entire life is specifically dedicated to actively condemning this. Yet there has been a substantial organized long time effort to cover up every single instance.
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Oakman wrote:
I've never tried celibacy
I don’t believe you; I know you have been married.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I know you have been married.
Was that supposed to stop me from screwing around? Being someone who came of age in the 60's, I didn't get the memo! ;)
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
I'm going to use that. :-D
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Oakman wrote:
This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported - but focusing too much on the Catholic Church as a source of pedophilia is, to my mind, looking away from the real problem. Whatever hypocrisy is shown by the priesthood as they protect their own -
Some things do however spring to mind. For example those families are not tax exempt institutions. There is also no wide ranging conspiracy with hundreds if not thousands of individuals complicit in it.
Oakman wrote:
how much greater is the hypocrisy of families - mothers hiding abuse by fathers, older brothers, grandfathers, and uncles, and forcing their sons and daughter to keep quiet - even blame themselves?
Which is nothing but a very, very poor attempt to deflect blame. First every sexual crime is very likely to cause the victim to blame themselves. Actually most serious crime of any sort does that. Second is is common sense to see that the church is vastly more hypocritical. The Catholic church has for centuries has made a significant point of condemning sex of any sort excluding that between a married man and women (and still limits that with a ban on any sort of birth control.) And they have done so via a vast number of public forums. Additionally the priesthood is specifically prohibited from any sex as well. A substantial point of their entire life is specifically dedicated to actively condemning this. Yet there has been a substantial organized long time effort to cover up every single instance.
jschell wrote:
For example those families are not tax exempt institutions.
I'm really not sure how that has anything to do with it, but for what it's worth, I don't think there should be tax-exempt organization - not the Catholic Church, not the Boy Scouts of America, not the Democratic party, not General Electric - and not all those families that use their mortgage interest as a tax-deduction.
jschell wrote:
Which is nothing but a very, very poor attempt to deflect blame.
It appears you have some trouble comprehending the words "This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported." Tell me which ones you have having trouble with and I'll attempt to rephrase.
jschell wrote:
Second is is common sense to see that the church is vastly more hypocritical.
Really? That's "common sense?" An institution not living up to its pronouncements is "vastly" more hypocritical than a mother pretending that there's nothing wrong with a father, her husband, raping a son or daughter? Really??? Wow :rolleyes:
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I'm going to use that. :-D
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250?? And how many lives did they FU forever?? Rotting in hell would be to good for them. I'd say prison in a cell with a horny queen for 20 life sentences.
Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants.
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Shameel wrote:
I'm surprised the church did that.
Why? The Catholic Church is a man-made institution. And every institution, no matter how noble, holy, or altruistic its professed goals quickly determines that its most important function is to stay in existence and, as a concomitant, to increase its power. This is true for any religious group, political entity, charitable organization, or corporation. And the leaders will all, perhaps with great protestations of disliking what they do, lie, cheat, steal, and even kill to protect their organization - which, incidentally, maintains and increases their power, as well.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
I'm going to use that
Be my guest. I must admit it didn't work very well with my third wife. She came of age in the 80's.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
And that's the last time she came. Boom tish.
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Shameel wrote:
I'm surprised the church did that.
Why? The Catholic Church is a man-made institution. And every institution, no matter how noble, holy, or altruistic its professed goals quickly determines that its most important function is to stay in existence and, as a concomitant, to increase its power. This is true for any religious group, political entity, charitable organization, or corporation. And the leaders will all, perhaps with great protestations of disliking what they do, lie, cheat, steal, and even kill to protect their organization - which, incidentally, maintains and increases their power, as well.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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It seems you got me wrong. Let me amend my statement. "I'm surprised the Church posted names of Boston clergy accused of child sex abuse."
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jschell wrote:
For example those families are not tax exempt institutions.
I'm really not sure how that has anything to do with it, but for what it's worth, I don't think there should be tax-exempt organization - not the Catholic Church, not the Boy Scouts of America, not the Democratic party, not General Electric - and not all those families that use their mortgage interest as a tax-deduction.
jschell wrote:
Which is nothing but a very, very poor attempt to deflect blame.
It appears you have some trouble comprehending the words "This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported." Tell me which ones you have having trouble with and I'll attempt to rephrase.
jschell wrote:
Second is is common sense to see that the church is vastly more hypocritical.
Really? That's "common sense?" An institution not living up to its pronouncements is "vastly" more hypocritical than a mother pretending that there's nothing wrong with a father, her husband, raping a son or daughter? Really??? Wow :rolleyes:
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
I'm really not sure how that has anything to do with it, but for what it's worth, I don't think there should be tax-exempt organization - not the Catholic Church, not the Boy Scouts of America, not the Democratic party, not General Electric - and not all those families that use their mortgage interest as a tax-deduction.
Which is hardly relevant since that is not the churches position.
Oakman wrote:
It appears you have some trouble comprehending the words "This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported." Tell me which ones you have having trouble with and I'll attempt to rephrase.
You posted the comparison. What exactly do you think your position is when you compare the two?
Oakman wrote:
Really? That's "common sense?" An institution not living up to its pronouncements is "vastly" more hypocritical than a mother pretending that there's nothing wrong with a father, her husband, raping a son or daughter? Really???
Obviously. Perhaps you need to look up the definition for hypocrisy.
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Shameel wrote:
It seems you got me wrong.
Sorry.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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Oakman wrote:
I'm really not sure how that has anything to do with it, but for what it's worth, I don't think there should be tax-exempt organization - not the Catholic Church, not the Boy Scouts of America, not the Democratic party, not General Electric - and not all those families that use their mortgage interest as a tax-deduction.
Which is hardly relevant since that is not the churches position.
Oakman wrote:
It appears you have some trouble comprehending the words "This does not in any way excuse those priests - or the ones who have not been reported." Tell me which ones you have having trouble with and I'll attempt to rephrase.
You posted the comparison. What exactly do you think your position is when you compare the two?
Oakman wrote:
Really? That's "common sense?" An institution not living up to its pronouncements is "vastly" more hypocritical than a mother pretending that there's nothing wrong with a father, her husband, raping a son or daughter? Really???
Obviously. Perhaps you need to look up the definition for hypocrisy.
Look, I have no need to defend the Catholic Church or any other organization that has harbored pedophiles. But at the same time I have no desire to talk to someone who would exculpate incestuous parents in order to pursue a verbal witch hunt against predatory priests. Frankly, the thought makes my skin crawl. Have a nice day, but find someone else to display your weirdness to.
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