Windows 8: Pushing hated UI elements
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Used to them now but disliked them to start with. Still get peeved when I can't find a command quickly but once found I just add it to the top menu. Still, not sure it should be added to everything just because it can be. The menuing system wasn't really broke: why try to fix it?
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Shameel wrote:
Almost all commands that are applicable to the current context are available right in front of you without the need to keep clicking and searching for items in a menu. You get the added advantage of less mouse clicks.
I can see how that would be the idea, but in practice it seems to take me more mouse clicks than it used to. At least when I use Office, which is where I've used it the most. That screen shot of Explorer looks horrifying to me.
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David Kentley wrote:
That screen shot of Explorer looks horrifying to me.
There are situations in which a ribbon would not make sense. I wonder if the next version of Visual Studio would come with a ribbon interface.
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
What's a ribbon interface? :-D Just looks like a slightly different toolbar to me, or maybe I just haven't had to use a fully ribbonised application yet? What bugs me about windows explorer was that they dropped the icon from the start menu and the quick launch toolbar in XP and screwed with the address bar in vista. I'm sure they'll find another way to really piss me off in 8.
Pete
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
The Ribbon was introduced in Office 2007 because nearly all of the requests for new features in Word were for features that were already present. The team decided that they had so many commands, and that they were scattered in so many different places that a new approach would be needed for organising the menu options. They held an internal competition to find new ways of organising menus and the Ribbon was the one that was picked - primarily, I suspect, because it looks like a super toolbar, and users are already familiar with toolbars.
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
I can work with it but to be honest I don't think it was really necessary. Some feature are just in the most unintuitive places: To change the data associated with a pivot table you would have thought that you click on the data tab.. Well guess what you have to click on the options tab and within this there is a data group - gets me most of the time...
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
Embrace the ribbon. BE THE RIBBON!
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Self-drying paint
Is there another kind of paint?
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
You and your wife are suffering from familiaritis. You get used to the way things are and when something different, even better, comes along you get pissed because you have to relearn.
David Kentley wrote:
takes up too much room
A fair argument. The ribbon can be turned off.
David Kentley wrote:
making things harder to find
I've had the opposite experience.
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Embrace the ribbon. BE THE RIBBON!
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Embrace the ribbon. BE THE RIBBON!
Touch the ribbon, feel the ribbon, caress the ribbon, oh wait - wrong forum!
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
This is the first reaction of most people. Unfortunately, software companies feel that they have to switch to a ribbon interface in order to "stay current". It's useless to complain to Microsoft - as long as that idiot Ballmer is in charge - but you will have better luck complaining to other software companies. TechSmith, for example, redid their ribbon interface after they were hit with a ton of complaints about the ribbon.
Best wishes, Hans
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
i despise the ribbon
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No; loved it straight away. Happy to embrace change when it appears beneficial straight away: the ribbon always felt like change for change's sake rather than an improvement where none was really needed.
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What's a ribbon interface? :-D Just looks like a slightly different toolbar to me, or maybe I just haven't had to use a fully ribbonised application yet? What bugs me about windows explorer was that they dropped the icon from the start menu and the quick launch toolbar in XP and screwed with the address bar in vista. I'm sure they'll find another way to really piss me off in 8.
Pete
Peter Mulholland wrote:
What bugs me about windows explorer was that they dropped the icon from the start menu and the quick launch toolbar in XP and screwed with the address bar in vista.
You missed the funny and erratic treeview in Windows 7 Explorer.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Embrace the ribbon. BE THE RIBBON!
Touch the ribbon, feel the ribbon, caress the ribbon, oh wait - wrong forum!
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
wrong forum
Wrong bally web-site!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Embrace the ribbon. BE THE RIBBON!
Touch the ribbon, feel the ribbon, caress the ribbon, oh wait - wrong forum!
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
You are the ribbon...
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No; loved it straight away. Happy to embrace change when it appears beneficial straight away: the ribbon always felt like change for change's sake rather than an improvement where none was really needed.
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digital man wrote:
the ribbon always felt like change for change's sake rather than an improvement where none was really needed.
A-fuckin-men!
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Does anyone like the ribbon interface? My wife, decidedly non geek, curses Office 2010 every day she has to use it because of the ribbon. I can't stand it myself. It takes up too much room with the added benefit of making things harder to find. I'm glad I bought my first Mac.[^] Yeah, I said it.
I find it very good actually. Keep in mind that you can collapse it. There should be a small arrow in the top-right corner.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
wrong forum
Wrong bally web-site!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Peter Mulholland wrote:
What bugs me about windows explorer was that they dropped the icon from the start menu and the quick launch toolbar in XP and screwed with the address bar in vista.
You missed the funny and erratic treeview in Windows 7 Explorer.
Really? I'm using 7 at home and haven't noticed that. What bugs me about 7 is that my explorer window "changes" to the network and sharing center or the control panel or what ever else. Just leave my goddamn explorer window the way I like it and open another window for anything else that doesn't have/need/use a tree view of my hard drives/directories on the right hand side!
Pete