Virtual Machines
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Cheers John - I'll have a look when I get home
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997For personal use, I'd go along with that.
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I use VirtualBox as well. It's free and gets the job done!
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
Just so you know, looking at Sharepoint or Biztalk isn't about professional development, it's about developing the kind of mental toughness that allows you to survive self surgery with a dull spoon with little more than a whimper. If you want to actually be productive, find something else, anything else, even writing perl scripts!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
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Just so you know, looking at Sharepoint or Biztalk isn't about professional development, it's about developing the kind of mental toughness that allows you to survive self surgery with a dull spoon with little more than a whimper. If you want to actually be productive, find something else, anything else, even writing perl scripts!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
or VB :rolleyes:
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I use DirtBox as well, damned fine bit of kit. Under Weven I have two Ubuntu machines, a server and a client, both happy as a Politician in a Bank Vault.
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
I prefer VMWare Reader (free)(if only because I've yet to figure how to get the MS VM to work). Likewise on the MSDN, so no cost other than time involved. You can run any of the servers in/on VMs in 7. They'll eat up hard drive & RAM, of course. I think VMs are better than multi-boot. Especially since you'll want a few different things running at once for any real work. SharePoint itself should take 3 in a "good" setup.
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
Windows 7 can support virtual pc images natively without 3rd party addons at all. We use it on a production system that we sell at work. You have to get the download from MS to enable the support, but it is there. The nice thing about that is that you can also set it up to be able to boot into the virtual image if you want as well.
Steve Maier
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Great! My 5 for you.
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
I have been using VMWare workstation for that purpose for a long time (approx 2 years). I have been so extremelly pleased with its performance, that I ended up using 3 different instances. One for development, one to act as a server and one for casual use (You really need a good CPU and quite a bit of RAM), while my "main" environment remained quite free of applications. VMware workstation suited me well due to the quite DirectX support it had (and has still) out of the box. I have used Microsoft's Virtual PC for quite some time as well (4-5 months running in parallel to VMware), and I can say it is a solid solution and works well, but lacks serious DirectX support (at least that was what bugged me at the time). Aside from that, it is really better than any free alternatives I have personally tried. Other than these two, I have very briefly looked at Virtual box, but not enough for me to offer a positive or negative suggestion for. I have to say though that currently I simply have another pc with my server apps and I can say it is the best setup so far, even if I sometimes miss the super clean main environment I had.
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
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Most of the consultants I work with use Hyper V for development, but run Win2k8R2 on their host machines. This post has a great wealth of info on what you're trying to do, and suggests VM solutions for Win7: http://geekswithblogs.net/manesh/archive/2010/05/28/building-the-ultimate-sharepoint-2010-development-environment.aspx. Another question is whether to use just one machine, or spread the solution over multiple machines, having a virtual network between them. There's also an argument about that in the above blog post saying to go for a single machine. If you do this, one word of warning - hosting an AD server on a machine means that you won't have local groups on the server; they'll automatically be created as AD groups, which can cause some issues with automated install / configs for these apps. Again, in the above blog post this is avoided by making the host the AD server - but I have a feeling that that would only be applicable if you went the 2k8 route (see ). Are you just doing this to play with those tools as a developer, or are you insterested in the architecture? Having multiple vms gives you a better idea of how to configure things across multiple machines - knowing which bits to put on each. Having a single machine allows you to skip all the fuss and just get on with playing with your tools. Finally, if using MSDN there's a rule about only using it for development - so if you use your computer for anything other than development (e.g. checking emails / browsing the web), your OS needs to be bought seperately; you can't reuse an MSDN license under their license terms. Good luck with it!
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I'll second that. Virtualbox is not just free, it's one of the best virtualizing platforms around, compared to other more expensive (paid) options around. Works beautifully in seamless mode.
Najeeb Shaikh
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Most of the consultants I work with use Hyper V for development, but run Win2k8R2 on their host machines. This post has a great wealth of info on what you're trying to do, and suggests VM solutions for Win7: http://geekswithblogs.net/manesh/archive/2010/05/28/building-the-ultimate-sharepoint-2010-development-environment.aspx. Another question is whether to use just one machine, or spread the solution over multiple machines, having a virtual network between them. There's also an argument about that in the above blog post saying to go for a single machine. If you do this, one word of warning - hosting an AD server on a machine means that you won't have local groups on the server; they'll automatically be created as AD groups, which can cause some issues with automated install / configs for these apps. Again, in the above blog post this is avoided by making the host the AD server - but I have a feeling that that would only be applicable if you went the 2k8 route (see ). Are you just doing this to play with those tools as a developer, or are you insterested in the architecture? Having multiple vms gives you a better idea of how to configure things across multiple machines - knowing which bits to put on each. Having a single machine allows you to skip all the fuss and just get on with playing with your tools. Finally, if using MSDN there's a rule about only using it for development - so if you use your computer for anything other than development (e.g. checking emails / browsing the web), your OS needs to be bought seperately; you can't reuse an MSDN license under their license terms. Good luck with it!
Very good advice. Whatever you do keep in mind you need PLENTY of memory when doing SharePoint development. I have 8GB on my PC. Also make sure you have enough coffee on hand if you need to restart your machine. Restarts are SLOOOOOOW when SharePoint is installed (on the iron).
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VirtualBox [^] is good (and free).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997One of the other advantages I've found in the past with VirtualBox over Microsoft VM is that it supports better attachment of USB devices. Probably not something you're worrying about but if you're developing new USB hardware it can definitely be a benefit.
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Just so you know, looking at Sharepoint or Biztalk isn't about professional development, it's about developing the kind of mental toughness that allows you to survive self surgery with a dull spoon with little more than a whimper. If you want to actually be productive, find something else, anything else, even writing perl scripts!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
really? I would argue this. But I am too busy being paid a TON of money doing SharePoint and Project Server Development and there are a TON of jobs just waiting for me to finish what I am working on so that they can pay me a TON of money. It is a different thought process but it isn't terribly hard and you can be quite productive and have a wonderful time. So I shall go on laughing all the way to the bank.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
I have used them all pretty extensively for SharePoint development. Be sure you have alot of memory 8gb is a minimum. Also an SSD will make your life alot better. My rank VirtualBox VMWare MS Virtual PC. a few others not worth mentioning I currently use VMWare because work wants me to use VMWare. So that is what I use. But virtualbox is slightly better IMHO. Virtual PC works and is solid. You have MSDN but don't get locked into Microsoft for all your solutions.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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really? I would argue this. But I am too busy being paid a TON of money doing SharePoint and Project Server Development and there are a TON of jobs just waiting for me to finish what I am working on so that they can pay me a TON of money. It is a different thought process but it isn't terribly hard and you can be quite productive and have a wonderful time. So I shall go on laughing all the way to the bank.
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
And I shall laugh at you! :) Enjoy all your money!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
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As part of my own professional development I want to start looking at Sharepoint and Biztalk (among others) and so need to set up a machine which supports them. My box is Windows 7 (64bit) but since these are server products, they'll only exist on Server 2003/8. Fortunately I've got a full MSDN license so I'm able to build a machine legally but rather than trashing my current box and reinstalling a new OS, I thought it might be better to create a few VMs and spin them up while I'm figuring out how stuff works. The thing is, I don't know where to start... Should I be using MS Virtual PC? VM Ware? Something else? Will I be able to run a WS2K8 VM on a Weven box? I'm sure I've got a few hard disks knocking around that I could put into my box and use some boot manager program to boot into different machines if this would be better...?? Any guidance appreciated!!
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
i think U should start observing the VMWare and then move in VM Box of Oracle and soon .
