Anyone here actually care about Windows 8 and silverlight / wpf / jupiter controversy?
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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No, not really... not until it becomes the corporate standard where I work. :-D
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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I do not care. I work in a cubicle. I don't make a living at WPF/Silverlight/Jupiter. I am currently learning WPF but can care less about any controversy about these technologies. Just being honest. :)
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I do not care. I work in a cubicle. I don't make a living at WPF/Silverlight/Jupiter. I am currently learning WPF but can care less about any controversy about these technologies. Just being honest. :)
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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No, not really... not until it becomes the corporate standard where I work. :-D
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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Meh. :rolleyes:
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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what's jupiter? seriously.
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what's jupiter? seriously.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
what's jupiter? seriously.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunDitto. As for WTF WPF and Silverlight. Can't use the second here and no desire to use the first (which provides no added value to anything we do).
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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I care. But then you knew that.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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Microsoft also thought we'd like Vista.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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I haven't heard anything about it; my friends at Microsoft are all under NDAs. So I went and looked at the rampant speculation and.... Meh. I doubt very much that MS will abandon the Forms framework: if almost every existing Windows application becomes non-functional, the company will not survive the blow-back. As long as Windows 8 supports the Forms framework, we can continue to write Forms based applications. It may be that VS 2010 will be the last version of Visual Studio to support Forms, and that future Forms development will be phased out in the same way that Microsoft phased out COM development, but my version of VB6 still works just dandy for maintaining legacy apps. Unless I am missing something, I don't see any reason to worry.
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-needs-to-tell-windows-8-developers-now-about-jupiter-and-silverlight/9608[^]
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hmmm. Seems much ado about nothing. OTOH, Microsoft does have a history of abandoning frameworks when new ones come along (MFC, native C++ anyone?), but reading that article leads me to believe that's not what's happening with Silverlight. I bet Jupiter will turn out to be some superset of Silverlight. In my limited experience with Silverlight / XAML, while very cool, it seems a bit of overkill for 99% of applications. And since it seems mostly oriented (or aimed at) web apps, then it's competing with the HTML / Javascript "standards". Hence, it's understandable that Microsoft is saying HTML5 / Javascript is the future. They're admitting defeat.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
I haven't heard anything about it; my friends at Microsoft are all under NDAs. So I went and looked at the rampant speculation and.... Meh. I doubt very much that MS will abandon the Forms framework: if almost every existing Windows application becomes non-functional, the company will not survive the blow-back. As long as Windows 8 supports the Forms framework, we can continue to write Forms based applications. It may be that VS 2010 will be the last version of Visual Studio to support Forms, and that future Forms development will be phased out in the same way that Microsoft phased out COM development, but my version of VB6 still works just dandy for maintaining legacy apps. Unless I am missing something, I don't see any reason to worry.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
missing something
Forms != Silverlight Forms != Jupiter Otherwise you are correct.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
hmmm. Seems much ado about nothing. OTOH, Microsoft does have a history of abandoning frameworks when new ones come along (MFC, native C++ anyone?), but reading that article leads me to believe that's not what's happening with Silverlight. I bet Jupiter will turn out to be some superset of Silverlight. In my limited experience with Silverlight / XAML, while very cool, it seems a bit of overkill for 99% of applications. And since it seems mostly oriented (or aimed at) web apps, then it's competing with the HTML / Javascript "standards". Hence, it's understandable that Microsoft is saying HTML5 / Javascript is the future. They're admitting defeat.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braunahmed zahmed wrote:
Seems much ado about nothing.
It's not nothing to people who make or are planning to make wpf or silverlight apps. It's not nothing to people who have invested heavily in c# when there is serious speculation Microsoft is throwing it's weight behind c++ *over* c# or vb.net (which will make some old timers here happy I'm sure). It's not nothing to people who do not want to use Javascript + HTML 5 for their main development language.
There is no failure only feedback
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I haven't heard anything about it; my friends at Microsoft are all under NDAs. So I went and looked at the rampant speculation and.... Meh. I doubt very much that MS will abandon the Forms framework: if almost every existing Windows application becomes non-functional, the company will not survive the blow-back. As long as Windows 8 supports the Forms framework, we can continue to write Forms based applications. It may be that VS 2010 will be the last version of Visual Studio to support Forms, and that future Forms development will be phased out in the same way that Microsoft phased out COM development, but my version of VB6 still works just dandy for maintaining legacy apps. Unless I am missing something, I don't see any reason to worry.
Forms is so far off the radar no one is even contemplating it at all in any of the speculation I've seen. We will never write another windows form app and are no longer doing new development in our old ones and that's been a pretty common point of view recently. You must be in a position where you are only maintaining, not new development?
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
missing something
Forms != Silverlight Forms != Jupiter Otherwise you are correct.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunI found two articles that claimed Windows 8 would be based on and optimized for XAML-based applications, and framed the controversy as to whether it would fully support Forms-based applications. Other that that, I'm a bit in the dark as to what this controversy is about.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Seems much ado about nothing.
It's not nothing to people who make or are planning to make wpf or silverlight apps. It's not nothing to people who have invested heavily in c# when there is serious speculation Microsoft is throwing it's weight behind c++ *over* c# or vb.net (which will make some old timers here happy I'm sure). It's not nothing to people who do not want to use Javascript + HTML 5 for their main development language.
There is no failure only feedback
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Forms is so far off the radar no one is even contemplating it at all in any of the speculation I've seen. We will never write another windows form app and are no longer doing new development in our old ones and that's been a pretty common point of view recently. You must be in a position where you are only maintaining, not new development?
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I do a fair bit of app development, actually, but entirely in-house for my company. The web programming I do mostly involves retrieving data and presenting it, so no Silverlight either. I have several friends who work at Microsoft (the advantage of living in Seattle) but they are under so many non-disclosure agreements that we just don't talk about what they are working on.
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I visited here periodically all summer looking to see any discussion and barely a word, now with less than a week I see a lot of jokes and not much else. I'm getting a strong "meh" vibe here whenever it comes up. I can only attribute this to a lot of people who work in cubicles and don't have to bet their future of their own business on the outcome of this or perhaps many of you have already moved off of windows development and only come here out of habit or are planning on retiring soon or...? I mean if not *here* then *where*? This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
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John C wrote:
This is traditionally a windows centric development site.
Well, it's more about bacon these days, but I share your frustration.