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  • M Marcus_2

    Good, if used with some sense.

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    spencepk
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    #67

    This is what I call abuse/overuse. It makes my eyes roll back in my head when I see this crap, comments would've been more than sufficient.

            foreach (DataRow currentRow in sortedTable.Table.Rows) {
                #region Load Data and set defaults
                creditCardNumber = currentRow\["CCNUMBER"\].ToString();
                cardHolder = currentRow\["CARDHOLDER"\].ToString();
                employeeId = currentRow\["EMPLCODE"\].ToString();
                deptNumber = currentRow\["DEPTCODE"\].ToString();
                accountNumber = currentRow\["GLCODE"\].ToString();
                expElemNumber = currentRow\["EXPELEM"\].ToString();
                fullRecord = currentRow\["FULLRECORD"\].ToString();
                isValidDept = true;
                isValidAcct = true;
                #endregion
                #region If Company Credit Card, don't process
                if (creditCardNumber == companyCard) {
                    Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Skipping Company Credit Card... ");
                    continue;
                }
                else {
                    this.statusReport.Text = "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + "...";
                    this.rtbStatus.Text += "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + " \[" + cardHolder.Trim() + "\]...\\t";
                    Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Verifying Credit Card # : " + creditCardNumber);
                    email\_er.Write("Credit Card Number: " + creditCardNumber + " for Card Holder: " + cardHolder.Trim() + "...");
                }
                #endregion
                #region Address Employee #, Dept #, Account #, and Expense Element
                if (employeeId.Trim().Length != 4) {
                    employeeId = employeeId.PadLeft(4, '0');
                }
                if (deptNumber.Trim().Length != 4) {
                    deptNumber = deptNumber.PadLeft(4, '0');
                }
                if (accountNumber.Trim().Length != 7) {
                    accountNumber = accountNumber.PadLeft(7, '0');
                }
                if (expElemNumber.Trim().Length != 2) {
                    expElemNumber = expElemNumber.PadLeft(2, '0');
                }
                #endregion
                #region Verify Deptartment Number from BoA File
                try {
                    isValidDept = query.isValidDepartment(deptNumber);
                    if (!isValidDept) Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Bank of America Department is in
    
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    • D Dave Kerr

      I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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      Fernando A Gomez F
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      I don't use them. I use Visual Studio's class explorer to navigate to the desired member, so don't need them. I don't mind if anybody else uses them though...

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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        John Boyett
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        That makes a lot of sense. I might try using them that way.

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          idiots people who like stupid space-wasting, conceptually-disorganized styles like Allman. But I guess the use of inferior editors that are incapable of brace matching, as well as dysfunctional eyes that cannot scan up-/downward to matching indents, are all factors in why they would give up as real developers need to use such a style. That, or they just really, really, really love Microsoft. 1TBS or GTFO

          Narf.

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          OriginalGriff
          wrote on last edited by
          #70

          Wouldn't know - I use Whitesmiths style. :-D

          Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Wouldn't know - I use Whitesmiths style. :-D

            Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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            Naruki 0
            wrote on last edited by
            #71

            If anything, that is an even more retarded differently-abled variant of Allman. You have my sympathies. Hopefully, you are functional enough to be allowed to live a [mostly] normal adult life.

            Narf.

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            • S spencepk

              This is what I call abuse/overuse. It makes my eyes roll back in my head when I see this crap, comments would've been more than sufficient.

                      foreach (DataRow currentRow in sortedTable.Table.Rows) {
                          #region Load Data and set defaults
                          creditCardNumber = currentRow\["CCNUMBER"\].ToString();
                          cardHolder = currentRow\["CARDHOLDER"\].ToString();
                          employeeId = currentRow\["EMPLCODE"\].ToString();
                          deptNumber = currentRow\["DEPTCODE"\].ToString();
                          accountNumber = currentRow\["GLCODE"\].ToString();
                          expElemNumber = currentRow\["EXPELEM"\].ToString();
                          fullRecord = currentRow\["FULLRECORD"\].ToString();
                          isValidDept = true;
                          isValidAcct = true;
                          #endregion
                          #region If Company Credit Card, don't process
                          if (creditCardNumber == companyCard) {
                              Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Skipping Company Credit Card... ");
                              continue;
                          }
                          else {
                              this.statusReport.Text = "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + "...";
                              this.rtbStatus.Text += "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + " \[" + cardHolder.Trim() + "\]...\\t";
                              Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Verifying Credit Card # : " + creditCardNumber);
                              email\_er.Write("Credit Card Number: " + creditCardNumber + " for Card Holder: " + cardHolder.Trim() + "...");
                          }
                          #endregion
                          #region Address Employee #, Dept #, Account #, and Expense Element
                          if (employeeId.Trim().Length != 4) {
                              employeeId = employeeId.PadLeft(4, '0');
                          }
                          if (deptNumber.Trim().Length != 4) {
                              deptNumber = deptNumber.PadLeft(4, '0');
                          }
                          if (accountNumber.Trim().Length != 7) {
                              accountNumber = accountNumber.PadLeft(7, '0');
                          }
                          if (expElemNumber.Trim().Length != 2) {
                              expElemNumber = expElemNumber.PadLeft(2, '0');
                          }
                          #endregion
                          #region Verify Deptartment Number from BoA File
                          try {
                              isValidDept = query.isValidDepartment(deptNumber);
                              if (!isValidDept) Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Bank of America Department is in
              
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              TNCaver
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              #72

              That is a horrible misuse. Regions should never be used inside a code block, IMO.

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              • S spencepk

                This is what I call abuse/overuse. It makes my eyes roll back in my head when I see this crap, comments would've been more than sufficient.

                        foreach (DataRow currentRow in sortedTable.Table.Rows) {
                            #region Load Data and set defaults
                            creditCardNumber = currentRow\["CCNUMBER"\].ToString();
                            cardHolder = currentRow\["CARDHOLDER"\].ToString();
                            employeeId = currentRow\["EMPLCODE"\].ToString();
                            deptNumber = currentRow\["DEPTCODE"\].ToString();
                            accountNumber = currentRow\["GLCODE"\].ToString();
                            expElemNumber = currentRow\["EXPELEM"\].ToString();
                            fullRecord = currentRow\["FULLRECORD"\].ToString();
                            isValidDept = true;
                            isValidAcct = true;
                            #endregion
                            #region If Company Credit Card, don't process
                            if (creditCardNumber == companyCard) {
                                Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Skipping Company Credit Card... ");
                                continue;
                            }
                            else {
                                this.statusReport.Text = "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + "...";
                                this.rtbStatus.Text += "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + " \[" + cardHolder.Trim() + "\]...\\t";
                                Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Verifying Credit Card # : " + creditCardNumber);
                                email\_er.Write("Credit Card Number: " + creditCardNumber + " for Card Holder: " + cardHolder.Trim() + "...");
                            }
                            #endregion
                            #region Address Employee #, Dept #, Account #, and Expense Element
                            if (employeeId.Trim().Length != 4) {
                                employeeId = employeeId.PadLeft(4, '0');
                            }
                            if (deptNumber.Trim().Length != 4) {
                                deptNumber = deptNumber.PadLeft(4, '0');
                            }
                            if (accountNumber.Trim().Length != 7) {
                                accountNumber = accountNumber.PadLeft(7, '0');
                            }
                            if (expElemNumber.Trim().Length != 2) {
                                expElemNumber = expElemNumber.PadLeft(2, '0');
                            }
                            #endregion
                            #region Verify Deptartment Number from BoA File
                            try {
                                isValidDept = query.isValidDepartment(deptNumber);
                                if (!isValidDept) Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Bank of America Department is in
                
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                Kabwla Phone
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                #73

                I think this is a good example of good usage. The advantage a region has over a comment is that a region can signal the end of your logical block. With a comment you would have to asume that the comment is valid until the next comment. And as you know, assumtion makes an ... out of u and me.

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                  I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                  Alan Burkhart
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #74

                  I generally group code blocks in regions according to purpose. The file menu and edit menu each gets its own region, and printing, if the project does any printing. It helps me stay organized and makes various blocks of code easier to find.

                  XAlan Burkhart

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                  • S spencepk

                    This is what I call abuse/overuse. It makes my eyes roll back in my head when I see this crap, comments would've been more than sufficient.

                            foreach (DataRow currentRow in sortedTable.Table.Rows) {
                                #region Load Data and set defaults
                                creditCardNumber = currentRow\["CCNUMBER"\].ToString();
                                cardHolder = currentRow\["CARDHOLDER"\].ToString();
                                employeeId = currentRow\["EMPLCODE"\].ToString();
                                deptNumber = currentRow\["DEPTCODE"\].ToString();
                                accountNumber = currentRow\["GLCODE"\].ToString();
                                expElemNumber = currentRow\["EXPELEM"\].ToString();
                                fullRecord = currentRow\["FULLRECORD"\].ToString();
                                isValidDept = true;
                                isValidAcct = true;
                                #endregion
                                #region If Company Credit Card, don't process
                                if (creditCardNumber == companyCard) {
                                    Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Skipping Company Credit Card... ");
                                    continue;
                                }
                                else {
                                    this.statusReport.Text = "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + "...";
                                    this.rtbStatus.Text += "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + " \[" + cardHolder.Trim() + "\]...\\t";
                                    Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Verifying Credit Card # : " + creditCardNumber);
                                    email\_er.Write("Credit Card Number: " + creditCardNumber + " for Card Holder: " + cardHolder.Trim() + "...");
                                }
                                #endregion
                                #region Address Employee #, Dept #, Account #, and Expense Element
                                if (employeeId.Trim().Length != 4) {
                                    employeeId = employeeId.PadLeft(4, '0');
                                }
                                if (deptNumber.Trim().Length != 4) {
                                    deptNumber = deptNumber.PadLeft(4, '0');
                                }
                                if (accountNumber.Trim().Length != 7) {
                                    accountNumber = accountNumber.PadLeft(7, '0');
                                }
                                if (expElemNumber.Trim().Length != 2) {
                                    expElemNumber = expElemNumber.PadLeft(2, '0');
                                }
                                #endregion
                                #region Verify Deptartment Number from BoA File
                                try {
                                    isValidDept = query.isValidDepartment(deptNumber);
                                    if (!isValidDept) Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Bank of America Department is in
                    
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                    kp_brown
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #75

                    That. Is. Insane.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Slacker007 wrote:

                      your team needs to ALL be on the same sheet of music

                      Oh yes! Nothing worse than one idiot individual who insists on K&R bracket format when everyone else has got an IQ bigger than their shoe size moved on to a more readable style.

                      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                      ScottK7
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                      #76

                      Having spent the last 10-15 minutes learning more than I ever knew, cared to know, or ever dreamed there was to know, about the names (people waste their lives inventing names for this stuff???) and histories of these various indentation styles, I now feel my brain has been eternally and irrevocably damaged for the effort. Of all the 15 minute spans of my life that have gone to waste, I believe this one will be lamented the most. And, sorry, have to agree with the last poster about your choice of styles. :)

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                      • D Dave Kerr

                        I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                        Fabio Franco
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #77

                        I find them useful to separate different regions inside a big class, like fields, properties, methods and constructors

                        "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          I wasn't sure until I started using them to group related items in the same file: Fields Properties Constructors Event handlers Public properties Private properties Now I find it reduces the clutter, and lets you see what you are interested in, without being distracted by irrelevancies. So much so that I modified the VS default class (and so forth) files to include them as standard. There is a Tip/Trick about it here: Adding your items to Visual Studio default files[^]

                          Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                          KSig
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                          #78

                          Place the public stuff first. That is where the story of your class starts

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                          • K Kabwla Phone

                            I think this is a good example of good usage. The advantage a region has over a comment is that a region can signal the end of your logical block. With a comment you would have to asume that the comment is valid until the next comment. And as you know, assumtion makes an ... out of u and me.

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                            Morry1337
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                            #79

                            That was a horrible, horrible block of code. The regions dont fix that. Logical groups should be different methods not regions. We use regions around Constants & Fields and Ctors and Dtors. And this is done automagicly by our tooling. (ReSharper + Stylecop) Other than that I cant think of anywhere else I would want to use them.

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                            • D Dave Kerr

                              I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                              GlobX
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                              #80

                              I LOVE regions. If I really think about it though, it's more a side-effect of the regions than the regions themselves. I usually have a few main regions in my classes: private members, properties, constructors, methods, static methods etc. This has the wonderful direct effect of when I open one of my classes and I want to find property blah, I can pop open the properties region and it's there (I know I can use the drop-downs at the top of the code window but that's no fun!). It also has the, arguably, more useful side-effect of keeping all like-things together, so that when new people look at the code, it's much harder for them to put new properties at the bottom of the file instead of with the other properties. My logic here is, let's face it, most of us coders are "OCD" in the sense that we like order and symmetry and things like that, so putting a property outside of the properties region that's already defined makes you feel 'icky' and you want to move it. That's my 37 cents anyway...


                              Typical n-tiered architecture: DB <-> Junk(0) <-> ... <-> Junk(n-1) <-> Pretty

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                              • D Dave Kerr

                                I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                JamesHurst
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                                #81

                                I really love that feature. That said, yes they need to be used sensibly to avoid getting ugly. Regions are a great tool for organizing your code, such that when you bring up a file you are looking at a small number of regions, which - ideally - are marked so as to direct you quickly to exactly where want to go. It's a topic that a dev team needs to discuss and settle upon standard practices for, early on. IMO

                                James Hurst "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
                                Mahatma Gandhi

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                                  I LOVE regions. If I really think about it though, it's more a side-effect of the regions than the regions themselves. I usually have a few main regions in my classes: private members, properties, constructors, methods, static methods etc. This has the wonderful direct effect of when I open one of my classes and I want to find property blah, I can pop open the properties region and it's there (I know I can use the drop-downs at the top of the code window but that's no fun!). It also has the, arguably, more useful side-effect of keeping all like-things together, so that when new people look at the code, it's much harder for them to put new properties at the bottom of the file instead of with the other properties. My logic here is, let's face it, most of us coders are "OCD" in the sense that we like order and symmetry and things like that, so putting a property outside of the properties region that's already defined makes you feel 'icky' and you want to move it. That's my 37 cents anyway...


                                  Typical n-tiered architecture: DB <-> Junk(0) <-> ... <-> Junk(n-1) <-> Pretty

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                                  JamesHurst
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                                  #82

                                  I agree 100% - but you expressed it much better than I.

                                  James Hurst "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
                                  Mahatma Gandhi

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                                  • S spencepk

                                    This is what I call abuse/overuse. It makes my eyes roll back in my head when I see this crap, comments would've been more than sufficient.

                                            foreach (DataRow currentRow in sortedTable.Table.Rows) {
                                                #region Load Data and set defaults
                                                creditCardNumber = currentRow\["CCNUMBER"\].ToString();
                                                cardHolder = currentRow\["CARDHOLDER"\].ToString();
                                                employeeId = currentRow\["EMPLCODE"\].ToString();
                                                deptNumber = currentRow\["DEPTCODE"\].ToString();
                                                accountNumber = currentRow\["GLCODE"\].ToString();
                                                expElemNumber = currentRow\["EXPELEM"\].ToString();
                                                fullRecord = currentRow\["FULLRECORD"\].ToString();
                                                isValidDept = true;
                                                isValidAcct = true;
                                                #endregion
                                                #region If Company Credit Card, don't process
                                                if (creditCardNumber == companyCard) {
                                                    Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Skipping Company Credit Card... ");
                                                    continue;
                                                }
                                                else {
                                                    this.statusReport.Text = "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + "...";
                                                    this.rtbStatus.Text += "Verifying " + creditCardNumber + " \[" + cardHolder.Trim() + "\]...\\t";
                                                    Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Verifying Credit Card # : " + creditCardNumber);
                                                    email\_er.Write("Credit Card Number: " + creditCardNumber + " for Card Holder: " + cardHolder.Trim() + "...");
                                                }
                                                #endregion
                                                #region Address Employee #, Dept #, Account #, and Expense Element
                                                if (employeeId.Trim().Length != 4) {
                                                    employeeId = employeeId.PadLeft(4, '0');
                                                }
                                                if (deptNumber.Trim().Length != 4) {
                                                    deptNumber = deptNumber.PadLeft(4, '0');
                                                }
                                                if (accountNumber.Trim().Length != 7) {
                                                    accountNumber = accountNumber.PadLeft(7, '0');
                                                }
                                                if (expElemNumber.Trim().Length != 2) {
                                                    expElemNumber = expElemNumber.PadLeft(2, '0');
                                                }
                                                #endregion
                                                #region Verify Deptartment Number from BoA File
                                                try {
                                                    isValidDept = query.isValidDepartment(deptNumber);
                                                    if (!isValidDept) Trace.WriteLineIf(tron, "\[VERIFICATION\] Bank of America Department is in
                                    
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                                    Kirk Wood
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                                    #83

                                    I knew there was trouble in the second line of code. If a region doesn't look totally out of place in a given method, you are doing it wrong. Refactor to use another method that represents the region. Aside from that, I do personally like regions inside classes to group a few things together (such as the properties).

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                                    • N NormDroid

                                      I initially thought they where a good idea, now I don't bother with them. I suppose the only place they are good for is Microsoft Generated Code from the IDE etc.

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                                      Kirk Wood
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #84

                                      Norm .net wrote:

                                      I suppose the only place they are good for is Microsoft Generated Code from the IDE etc.

                                      That is the point of partial classes. The generated code goes into another file altogether and stays out of the way.

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Slacker007 wrote:

                                        your team needs to ALL be on the same sheet of music

                                        Oh yes! Nothing worse than one idiot individual who insists on K&R bracket format when everyone else has got an IQ bigger than their shoe size moved on to a more readable style.

                                        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                        Kirk Wood
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #85

                                        That is easily rectified. Hit CTRL-K, D (holding the control key between the K and the D). This will reformat code to however you have Visual Studio setup (or the default if you haven't messed with the settings).

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                                        • D Dave Kerr

                                          I used to love regions, stuck them everywhere in my code. Now I hate them, each member of our team uses them differently. What's the public opinion - are regions good or bad? Would they be better if they were REALLY big in Visual Studio? I find that I'm squinting to find the little buggers, if they were much more obvious I might get lost less...

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                                          Ahmedn1
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                                          #86

                                          Regions are very useful for readability

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