Resigning!
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Well it is about the time! After a couple of months living in the code of shame I decided to resign! Today's email from the IT manager left me speechless! When a job of your dreams (programming) get's to be the worst nightmare, it is about the time to change. I feel like I lost all of my self confidence and the confidence in my knowledge, and I need to rebuild all this up! Any suggestion? I was trying in many ways to get out of this situation and as last thing I asked my manager for a 5 days training and preparation for getting the MCTS later the MCPD, I got the following answer:
"There are sufficient online resources that provide basic level training, just try: Google-> "WebPart Tutorial" (I'm feeling lucky), brings a nice tutorial for this."I agree, it is not a rocket science, and nothing that I could not do with a self study, but it was an action done in order to stimulate the environment, but I did not expected an answer as this! I lost so much energy trying to change things in here that I didn't yet finished two very nice and curios article for CP that I have in the pipe. Am I wrong in my decisions? P.S. Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint? -
Well it is about the time! After a couple of months living in the code of shame I decided to resign! Today's email from the IT manager left me speechless! When a job of your dreams (programming) get's to be the worst nightmare, it is about the time to change. I feel like I lost all of my self confidence and the confidence in my knowledge, and I need to rebuild all this up! Any suggestion? I was trying in many ways to get out of this situation and as last thing I asked my manager for a 5 days training and preparation for getting the MCTS later the MCPD, I got the following answer:
"There are sufficient online resources that provide basic level training, just try: Google-> "WebPart Tutorial" (I'm feeling lucky), brings a nice tutorial for this."I agree, it is not a rocket science, and nothing that I could not do with a self study, but it was an action done in order to stimulate the environment, but I did not expected an answer as this! I lost so much energy trying to change things in here that I didn't yet finished two very nice and curios article for CP that I have in the pipe. Am I wrong in my decisions? P.S. Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint?When you are dealing with this kind of management, you are probably right to jump. The guy is a moron, and certainly not a diplomat. If there is a problem with training, he would have been better to sit you down and explain that whilst he understood some training would be desirable, there were budgetary constraints that limited options... Or something like that, far more professional.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Well it is about the time! After a couple of months living in the code of shame I decided to resign! Today's email from the IT manager left me speechless! When a job of your dreams (programming) get's to be the worst nightmare, it is about the time to change. I feel like I lost all of my self confidence and the confidence in my knowledge, and I need to rebuild all this up! Any suggestion? I was trying in many ways to get out of this situation and as last thing I asked my manager for a 5 days training and preparation for getting the MCTS later the MCPD, I got the following answer:
"There are sufficient online resources that provide basic level training, just try: Google-> "WebPart Tutorial" (I'm feeling lucky), brings a nice tutorial for this."I agree, it is not a rocket science, and nothing that I could not do with a self study, but it was an action done in order to stimulate the environment, but I did not expected an answer as this! I lost so much energy trying to change things in here that I didn't yet finished two very nice and curios article for CP that I have in the pipe. Am I wrong in my decisions? P.S. Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint?Find a new job FIRST! Don't quit and look, it'll only backfire. I don't know your level and seniority, because it impacts the leverage you will have, but let your line manager know you are unhappy and why. Then let his line manager know so that it is clear action must be taken by them providing a better role or by you getting a new job. Don't sit and brood, get up and get busy.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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When you are dealing with this kind of management, you are probably right to jump. The guy is a moron, and certainly not a diplomat. If there is a problem with training, he would have been better to sit you down and explain that whilst he understood some training would be desirable, there were budgetary constraints that limited options... Or something like that, far more professional.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
To be honest I was just "testing the waters" and got an answer. Sooner I leave, sooner I'll be happy again!
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Well it is about the time! After a couple of months living in the code of shame I decided to resign! Today's email from the IT manager left me speechless! When a job of your dreams (programming) get's to be the worst nightmare, it is about the time to change. I feel like I lost all of my self confidence and the confidence in my knowledge, and I need to rebuild all this up! Any suggestion? I was trying in many ways to get out of this situation and as last thing I asked my manager for a 5 days training and preparation for getting the MCTS later the MCPD, I got the following answer:
"There are sufficient online resources that provide basic level training, just try: Google-> "WebPart Tutorial" (I'm feeling lucky), brings a nice tutorial for this."I agree, it is not a rocket science, and nothing that I could not do with a self study, but it was an action done in order to stimulate the environment, but I did not expected an answer as this! I lost so much energy trying to change things in here that I didn't yet finished two very nice and curios article for CP that I have in the pipe. Am I wrong in my decisions? P.S. Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint?Mario Majcica wrote:
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Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint?Did you try Google? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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To be honest I was just "testing the waters" and got an answer. Sooner I leave, sooner I'll be happy again!
Being unhappy in your job is never good, and rarely gets better without a move. My last place I got so miserable that when I found myself in hospital at 3 in the morning and they confirmed I needed my appendix removed I smiled because I knew I would get at least three weeks off work. As Nagy says though, jumping without a good place to land is very risky.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Mario Majcica wrote:
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Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint?Did you try Google? :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Bad Smithers! :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Well it is about the time! After a couple of months living in the code of shame I decided to resign! Today's email from the IT manager left me speechless! When a job of your dreams (programming) get's to be the worst nightmare, it is about the time to change. I feel like I lost all of my self confidence and the confidence in my knowledge, and I need to rebuild all this up! Any suggestion? I was trying in many ways to get out of this situation and as last thing I asked my manager for a 5 days training and preparation for getting the MCTS later the MCPD, I got the following answer:
"There are sufficient online resources that provide basic level training, just try: Google-> "WebPart Tutorial" (I'm feeling lucky), brings a nice tutorial for this."I agree, it is not a rocket science, and nothing that I could not do with a self study, but it was an action done in order to stimulate the environment, but I did not expected an answer as this! I lost so much energy trying to change things in here that I didn't yet finished two very nice and curios article for CP that I have in the pipe. Am I wrong in my decisions? P.S. Can somebody explain me what the WebPart Tutorial has to do with exams 70-573 and 70-576 and general knowledge on Sharepoint?Mario Majcica wrote:
Am I wrong in my decisions?
Yes. Stop being a prima-donna, and learn on your own. If your employer won't pay for training, and you really feel the need to get that training, then go on your own dime. It's called "investing in your own career". I'm really kinda tired of everyone feeling entitled to free stuff.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Mario Majcica wrote:
Am I wrong in my decisions?
Yes. Stop being a prima-donna, and learn on your own. If your employer won't pay for training, and you really feel the need to get that training, then go on your own dime. It's called "investing in your own career". I'm really kinda tired of everyone feeling entitled to free stuff.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Nice point of view. However my goal was not getting paid for an training. The request was done only to see the reaction. So you do not think that the company should invest in the knowledge of the employees? Why?
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Being unhappy in your job is never good, and rarely gets better without a move. My last place I got so miserable that when I found myself in hospital at 3 in the morning and they confirmed I needed my appendix removed I smiled because I knew I would get at least three weeks off work. As Nagy says though, jumping without a good place to land is very risky.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Well that is my situation right now. And it is the first time for me, after 7 years working (here only 4 months) that I feel really miserable at my job. However I'm not taking the risk and I already have 4 interviews next week. The fact is that I'm for the first time a bit insecure, so I was asking from your experience, how to rebuild up the confidence quickly?
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Mario Majcica wrote:
Am I wrong in my decisions?
Yes. Stop being a prima-donna, and learn on your own. If your employer won't pay for training, and you really feel the need to get that training, then go on your own dime. It's called "investing in your own career". I'm really kinda tired of everyone feeling entitled to free stuff.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Why I kinda agree with you (I'd personally be inclined to self-study a new subject rather than jump into some 5-day training snorefest), it's also called "investing in your employees". It's often cheaper to train your current employees than to fire them and hire new ones.
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Well that is my situation right now. And it is the first time for me, after 7 years working (here only 4 months) that I feel really miserable at my job. However I'm not taking the risk and I already have 4 interviews next week. The fact is that I'm for the first time a bit insecure, so I was asking from your experience, how to rebuild up the confidence quickly?
I spent nearly 6 and a half years there, and things got worse and worse over the last couple of years before becoming almost intolerable for the last 9 months perhaps. Changes in management, direction, lack of support from above where my main problems. In the end it was a chance (almost) encounter that got me the move out of there, although I had just started talking to a recruitment agent I knew and trusted when that happened. I was working 5 minutes from my house, which is not an easy thing to give up. I moved to somewhere where I liked the people (I had worked with one of them before, and I think that helped me a lot), I liked the work I was doing, but crucially the support from the manager was superb. I felt that he would back me in anything I wanted to do, any decision I made, as long as I could justify it as he often had to then justify it to someone else. The biggest thing though was just to be away from the old place and smiling again, it makes a massive difference and is almost instant.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Nice point of view. However my goal was not getting paid for an training. The request was done only to see the reaction. So you do not think that the company should invest in the knowledge of the employees? Why?
Yes, I think a company has a vested interest in maintaining their employees' level of training, but if they don't, acquire the trainign on your own, and THEN change jobs. Afterall, the advanced training will make you that much more marketable in subsequent job searches. Once you acquire said training, give your current employer a chance to give you a raise to compensate, and if they don't, search out other employment. BTW, "fishing" is a waste of your bosses' time (and it sounds like you knew what the answer would be before you got it). The better way to handle it would have been to GET that training and then hit them up.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Nice point of view. However my goal was not getting paid for an training. The request was done only to see the reaction. So you do not think that the company should invest in the knowledge of the employees? Why?
Mario Majcica wrote:
So you do not think that the company should invest in the knowledge of the employees? Why?
What would they be paying for? A college degree? What exactly do you want them to pay for? Why are you concerned about certs anyways? As John said, learn on your own dime...you have to be proactive here if you are going to make it in this profession.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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Why I kinda agree with you (I'd personally be inclined to self-study a new subject rather than jump into some 5-day training snorefest), it's also called "investing in your employees". It's often cheaper to train your current employees than to fire them and hire new ones.
I'm not arguing that point. I'm saying he if he requested compensation and didn't get it, he should still pursue the training on his own dime.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
I'm not arguing that point. I'm saying he if he requested compensation and didn't get it, he should still pursue the training on his own dime.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I see your point John, and I certainly agree on some of these points, but this was not an must do request, I was just trying to confirm the management's attitude. This is a really disappointing software company and if this was the only problem, I would be ashamed to write about it. I am still quite young and inexperienced, but I really feel miserable and I invested a way to much energy already in here. That was only one example on how are usually replays from the management. Any I was expecting a bit of psychological support from my virtual colleagues from CP! :) However even your point of view is constructive so it is also welcome. Cheers!
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I spent nearly 6 and a half years there, and things got worse and worse over the last couple of years before becoming almost intolerable for the last 9 months perhaps. Changes in management, direction, lack of support from above where my main problems. In the end it was a chance (almost) encounter that got me the move out of there, although I had just started talking to a recruitment agent I knew and trusted when that happened. I was working 5 minutes from my house, which is not an easy thing to give up. I moved to somewhere where I liked the people (I had worked with one of them before, and I think that helped me a lot), I liked the work I was doing, but crucially the support from the manager was superb. I felt that he would back me in anything I wanted to do, any decision I made, as long as I could justify it as he often had to then justify it to someone else. The biggest thing though was just to be away from the old place and smiling again, it makes a massive difference and is almost instant.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
I'm just trying to think if there was a Chris Elston at my last place... I had the exact same. The job started okay, but got progressively worse as opportunities were blocked and visionary management was replaced by ESN arse-lickers.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I'm just trying to think if there was a Chris Elston at my last place... I had the exact same. The job started okay, but got progressively worse as opportunities were blocked and visionary management was replaced by ESN arse-lickers.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Were both of you working in my current company in the past? I need to add that even technically we are in the Neolithic and not prone to changes and improvements. As I specified before I'm kind of maintaining an app that I can for entire upload to the hall of shame section. Frustrations to the max! I think that next week 4 interesting interviews and a nice new article on CP will raise a bit my moral! And maybe I can try a legal (at least here in Amsterdam) "medical" treatment in order to meet the good spirits! :) Cheers
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Mario Majcica wrote:
Am I wrong in my decisions?
Yes. Stop being a prima-donna, and learn on your own. If your employer won't pay for training, and you really feel the need to get that training, then go on your own dime. It's called "investing in your own career". I'm really kinda tired of everyone feeling entitled to free stuff.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I've never received paid training in any of my jobs over the last 5-6 years.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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Bad Smithers! :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
At least he could replay with this http://tinyurl.com/6anwmex[^] :)
