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Well Obama is only half black; but from the waist down, where it matters! :-O
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Rightly or wrongly, US politics has a real impact on our lives.
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I think the word you were looking for was "traitors", and the use of that word depends on who's ideology you favor. To the crown, they word "traitors", or in today's vernacular, would be called "domestic terrorists". To us, they were "rights activists", or even "patriots". Today's "Tea Party" was named after the Boston Tea Party in that they claim to be fighting to get our rights and proper representation back. To *me*, they're just a bunch of politicians (and ex-lawyers), and as such, they aren't to be trusted with *my* liberties. The only person that can reclaim *my* liberties and rights as enumerated in the Constitution, is *me*.
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
To us, they were "rights activists", or even "patriots".
They called themselves the "Sons of Liberty" and were headed up by Paul Revere & Sam Adams - who were rather pissed that Crazy George III had occupied Boston with two regiments of British soldiers, in order to force Americans -- as they were beginning to think of themselves -- to buy tea from the East India Company, in which George owned a large share. Crony capitalism then, little difference from crony capitalism now.
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"The SoapBox is not for flame wars, personal vendettas, or endless debate about climate change, religion and US politics. Anything inappropriate for this forum will be deleted immediately." Well, I guess the only parts not in there are climate change and religion. Now, if oakman and Ravel could throw in a bit about how bashing the bishop is causing the penguins to melt then they'd have the lot.
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Pete, I have never started a thread about politics here, and I never will. As far as I'm concerned the entire thread can and probably should be deleted. If I start a thread in here, it is almost always a joke. I can do all the political bashing I want to in Soapbox 1 However, I do not read the top as saying that it's OK for Brits and Aussies to indulge themselves in insults about America or American politics but we have to STFU. As Wizard pointed out, it is inhabitants of the other English-speaking countries that shoot their mouths off about America and our way of life (usually revealing an abysmal ignorance of what is actually happening over here) and start most of the threads about American politics.
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wizardzz wrote:
Why are Australians and British so obsessed with American politics?
Penis envy
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You mean like this?[^] or this?[^] or over in the UK[^] and this[^] Peut-être vous préférez la France?[^] o da questa Italia[^] or Canada[^] or Australia[^] Ironically the only major country where I couldn't find a comparison between the leader and Hitler was Germany. So wipe your butt, change your pants, and get on with your life. :
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Pete, I have never started a thread about politics here, and I never will. As far as I'm concerned the entire thread can and probably should be deleted. If I start a thread in here, it is almost always a joke. I can do all the political bashing I want to in Soapbox 1 However, I do not read the top as saying that it's OK for Brits and Aussies to indulge themselves in insults about America or American politics but we have to STFU. As Wizard pointed out, it is inhabitants of the other English-speaking countries that shoot their mouths off about America and our way of life (usually revealing an abysmal ignorance of what is actually happening over here) and start most of the threads about American politics.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
I do not read the top as saying that it's OK for Brits and Aussies to indulge themselves in insults about America or American politics but we have to STFU.
That's fair enough, and you should feel free to slap us about if we do. I try to stay away from the American politics threads because I don't have the first clue about the American political system. But I will say that each country displays an outstanding lack of knowledge about other countries. For instance, Americans have no real idea about what goes on in the UK and People from the UK have zero knowledge about what goes on in Australia (actually, for such a large country, Australia goes pretty much unnoticed by absolutely everybody). These are obviously generalisations but they do tend to stick because most people buy into the stereotypes. Anyway, back to the point - there are rules to this forum and both you and Ravel are ignoring them to continue your vendetta against each other. This thread could be about flower arranging, and you would still both be at each others throats. Now, we both know that Ravel is still a child and, as such, not mature enough to let go - but you are the man, so laugh it off and let it go. Don't rise to his goads and you will both stop rubbing each up the wrong way.
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You mean like this?[^] or this?[^] or over in the UK[^] and this[^] Peut-être vous préférez la France?[^] o da questa Italia[^] or Canada[^] or Australia[^] Ironically the only major country where I couldn't find a comparison between the leader and Hitler was Germany. So wipe your butt, change your pants, and get on with your life. :
I hate to say this, but comparing Gordon Brown to the failed painter one doesn't bother us in the UK. He was best viewed as a joke, when he was in power. Unfortunately, the joke wore thin.
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Why are Australians and British so obsessed with American politics? Vote in your elections, and we'll vote in ours.
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wizardzz wrote:
Why are Australians and British so obsessed with American politics?
Well, I hate to say it, but your politicians recently brought your country to its knees and caused major upheavals on the world stock markets, affecting the pensions of millions. Maybe that played the tiniest part in it - until the recent standoff I hadn't even heard of the Tea Party. And yes, Europe is just as bad with European leaders going on holiday while their economies were in melt-down, so there are faults on all sides.
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Oakman wrote:
I do not read the top as saying that it's OK for Brits and Aussies to indulge themselves in insults about America or American politics but we have to STFU.
That's fair enough, and you should feel free to slap us about if we do. I try to stay away from the American politics threads because I don't have the first clue about the American political system. But I will say that each country displays an outstanding lack of knowledge about other countries. For instance, Americans have no real idea about what goes on in the UK and People from the UK have zero knowledge about what goes on in Australia (actually, for such a large country, Australia goes pretty much unnoticed by absolutely everybody). These are obviously generalisations but they do tend to stick because most people buy into the stereotypes. Anyway, back to the point - there are rules to this forum and both you and Ravel are ignoring them to continue your vendetta against each other. This thread could be about flower arranging, and you would still both be at each others throats. Now, we both know that Ravel is still a child and, as such, not mature enough to let go - but you are the man, so laugh it off and let it go. Don't rise to his goads and you will both stop rubbing each up the wrong way.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I try to stay away from the American politics threads because I don't have the first clue about the American political system.
Yes, you do.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
there are rules to this forum and both you and Ravel are ignoring them to continue your vendetta against each other.
Ravel shoots his mouth of about America, I will respond. He doesn't get a pass because I threw him out of SB1, but I defy you to find one thread where I addressed him without that kind of provocation.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
This thread could be about flower arranging, and you would still both be at each others throats.
In a word: bullshit. Please check your facts.
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Oakman wrote:
I do not read the top as saying that it's OK for Brits and Aussies to indulge themselves in insults about America or American politics but we have to STFU.
That's fair enough, and you should feel free to slap us about if we do. I try to stay away from the American politics threads because I don't have the first clue about the American political system. But I will say that each country displays an outstanding lack of knowledge about other countries. For instance, Americans have no real idea about what goes on in the UK and People from the UK have zero knowledge about what goes on in Australia (actually, for such a large country, Australia goes pretty much unnoticed by absolutely everybody). These are obviously generalisations but they do tend to stick because most people buy into the stereotypes. Anyway, back to the point - there are rules to this forum and both you and Ravel are ignoring them to continue your vendetta against each other. This thread could be about flower arranging, and you would still both be at each others throats. Now, we both know that Ravel is still a child and, as such, not mature enough to let go - but you are the man, so laugh it off and let it go. Don't rise to his goads and you will both stop rubbing each up the wrong way.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Ravel is still a child
Seventeen is hardly a child, except in an arbitrary legal way. And he needs to stop saying that Eric is my boyfriend... *grumble grumble*
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I hate to say this, but comparing Gordon Brown to the failed painter one doesn't bother us in the UK. He was best viewed as a joke, when he was in power. Unfortunately, the joke wore thin.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
comparing Gordon Brown to the failed painter one doesn't bother us in the UK
Yeah, but Maggie is too easy, Blair too inconsequential, but here's Cameron[^], if that's more appropriate (I keep forgetting his name and having to look it up.)
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wizardzz wrote:
Why are Australians and British so obsessed with American politics?
Well, I hate to say it, but your politicians recently brought your country to its knees and caused major upheavals on the world stock markets, affecting the pensions of millions. Maybe that played the tiniest part in it - until the recent standoff I hadn't even heard of the Tea Party. And yes, Europe is just as bad with European leaders going on holiday while their economies were in melt-down, so there are faults on all sides.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Well, I hate to say it, but your politicians recently brought your country to its knees and caused major upheavals on the world stock markets, affecting the pensions of millions.
I'll reiterate; you can't vote for them and there's little more annoying than a foreigner telling us who should lead us. Nobody has a problem with the U.S. financial system when there's growth and it's working, but ohhh shit, lost money, now everyone's interested. Economies are cyclical, and many countries have gone through periods of lost decades, this will pass and everyone will go back to criticizing politician's tastes in mistresses eventually. I do see your point, but I'm learning to stop caring about who's in charge in other countries that I have no influence or control over, (China), and it's making me appreciate more and more of what I have here. Just a little rant there.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
comparing Gordon Brown to the failed painter one doesn't bother us in the UK
Yeah, but Maggie is too easy, Blair too inconsequential, but here's Cameron[^], if that's more appropriate (I keep forgetting his name and having to look it up.)
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Say what you like about Maggie, but she had balls. Unfortunately, the legacy of Blair will last for generations - he's part of the reason why our country is completely screwed. Here's Cameron - are you sure it's Cameron. Him and his identikit deputy Nick Clegg are virtual twins - like Tweedledum and Tweedledummer.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Well, I hate to say it, but your politicians recently brought your country to its knees and caused major upheavals on the world stock markets, affecting the pensions of millions.
I'll reiterate; you can't vote for them and there's little more annoying than a foreigner telling us who should lead us. Nobody has a problem with the U.S. financial system when there's growth and it's working, but ohhh shit, lost money, now everyone's interested. Economies are cyclical, and many countries have gone through periods of lost decades, this will pass and everyone will go back to criticizing politician's tastes in mistresses eventually. I do see your point, but I'm learning to stop caring about who's in charge in other countries that I have no influence or control over, (China), and it's making me appreciate more and more of what I have here. Just a little rant there.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
wizardzz wrote:
you can't vote for them and there's little more annoying than a foreigner telling us who should lead us
I hope you aren't including me in that statement. Apart from Obama (I assume he's standing again), I have no idea who's running.
wizardzz wrote:
Nobody has a problem with the U.S. financial system when there's growth and it's working, but ohhh sh*t, lost money, now everyone's interested.
Of course they are interested. It affects them directly. Humans are selfish animals and to pretend otherwise is futile, and that's why people care about American politics. If what happened in Europe was in any way consequential, you'd care what was happening over here.
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Say what you like about Maggie, but she had balls. Unfortunately, the legacy of Blair will last for generations - he's part of the reason why our country is completely screwed. Here's Cameron - are you sure it's Cameron. Him and his identikit deputy Nick Clegg are virtual twins - like Tweedledum and Tweedledummer.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Except that the Tea Party is more like an apocalyptic cult than a political party. Not all politicians are proud of being ignorant and stupid or wave loaded handguns at journalists' chests.
And the implication being that all Tea Party persons must be 'proud of being ignorant and stupid or wave loaded handguns at journalists' chests'? And you know this because you personally know them all or are you being ignorant and self-imposing?
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wizardzz wrote:
you can't vote for them and there's little more annoying than a foreigner telling us who should lead us
I hope you aren't including me in that statement. Apart from Obama (I assume he's standing again), I have no idea who's running.
wizardzz wrote:
Nobody has a problem with the U.S. financial system when there's growth and it's working, but ohhh sh*t, lost money, now everyone's interested.
Of course they are interested. It affects them directly. Humans are selfish animals and to pretend otherwise is futile, and that's why people care about American politics. If what happened in Europe was in any way consequential, you'd care what was happening over here.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I hope you aren't including me in that statement. Apart from Obama (I assume he's standing again), I have no idea who's running.
I wasn't talking about you. ;)
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
If what happened in Europe was in any way consequential, you'd care what was happening over here.
Sadly, the more volatility there is, the more trading there is, the more trading there is, the higher my teams revenue, the higher my teams revenue, the bigger my monthly bonus. In a weird way, as it stands, I gain personal financial benefit from good or bad world events. I made a few bucks more than normal when OBL was killed.
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wizardzz wrote:
you can't vote for them and there's little more annoying than a foreigner telling us who should lead us
I hope you aren't including me in that statement. Apart from Obama (I assume he's standing again), I have no idea who's running.
wizardzz wrote:
Nobody has a problem with the U.S. financial system when there's growth and it's working, but ohhh sh*t, lost money, now everyone's interested.
Of course they are interested. It affects them directly. Humans are selfish animals and to pretend otherwise is futile, and that's why people care about American politics. If what happened in Europe was in any way consequential, you'd care what was happening over here.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
If what happened in Europe was in any way consequential, you'd care what was happening over here.
Your mileage may vary, but the way I read the tea-leaves is that the only thing that will be able to avert an upcoming global financial collapse is the one in five chance the the U.S. will be able to weather what happens to the EU when the PIIGS finally descend into bankruptcy.
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