About the Kid Sister Rule, Bad Words and Firearms
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
Dario Solera wrote:
Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby.
They haven't found the baby yet? :~
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns. Other than that, anyone invited to my house is probably of the same mind as me, so no worries. Anyone NOT invited will be carried out in a bag, so again, no worries.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns.
Reminder to self : if ever JSOP invites me to dinner, bring own pizza/beer! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Nobody here said that he should be banned for that one act. I do see your point, but your argument would have stood better if only Chris had not reinstated his account. If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular
It takes a gang of six.
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Dario Solera wrote:
So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad.
Whatever happened to him, he was asking for it. I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended. Clearly, banning a regular based on one thread is wrong, because we all have a bad day now and then. But being patronising towards the people who are politely pointing out your mistakes is not a nice thing to do. This must have been a lesson. And oh, talking about firearms is absolutely fine because it is NOT against the rules of this board.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended.
I always try to leave them laughing when I go. :-D That must be a new code project record. Getting banned for one post.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food
Even the snacks on the table? :((
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
Actually, the food that's on my plate. If it's not on my plate, you can have it if you get there first. I can promise no gun-play in that instance.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
As was pointed out here and there, the big issue is the danger of getting site blocked by some organizations. So far, nothing has tripped the filter (or CP is explicitly allowed....I don't know and hesitate to ask...no need to bring anything to anyone's attention. After all, the Army blocked Port 119 because usenet had naughty things on it...somewhere... Kinda screwed up the support we had paid for from folks who used NNTP for it. I just hope no one mentions Wikil***s. That's an automatic block (per-page, at least). Even CNN gets blocked if they run a story on it. ;P
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
holier-than-thou self-righteousness that would make even the Pope cough up a hairball
:laugh: I hope you don't mind if I use that.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesThere is no copyright or patent on the phrase, so be my quest. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
which is pretty much every swingin' d*ck on this site meeting
I'm using that in my next stand up meeting. :laugh:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Be sure and let us all know how the meeting went after you said it. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
There is no copyright or patent on the phrase, so be my quest. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
be my quest
Is that an invitation to your house? :-D Do I need to bring my own food?
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I had a hysterical laugh reading that thread in the morning, when his replies were along the lines "haha, you couldn't ban me. your vote is not powerful enough" and so on. And boy, it didn't take too long before he had pissed off enough people and had his little entertainment ended.
I always try to leave them laughing when I go. :-D That must be a new code project record. Getting banned for one post.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
I always try to leave them laughing when I go.
I think you did well. :)
JimmyRopes wrote:
That must be a new code project record. Getting banned for one post.
I wouldn't count that as a "ban". Just a little glitch on the system that allowed it to happen. However, two things I'd say are: 1. You were asking for it for some reason. 2. The site authorities took prompt action and did the right thing by reinstating you.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
I always try to leave them laughing when I go.
I think you did well. :)
JimmyRopes wrote:
That must be a new code project record. Getting banned for one post.
I wouldn't count that as a "ban". Just a little glitch on the system that allowed it to happen. However, two things I'd say are: 1. You were asking for it for some reason. 2. The site authorities took prompt action and did the right thing by reinstating you.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
You were asking for it for some reason
I resemble that. :-D
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Be sure and let us all know how the meeting went after you said it. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
-----
You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997While the meeting is yet to happen, the phrase has already found its use[^]. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad. The point is, how is writing shit any worse than writing about firearms? I find it's a welcome discussion topic here. As far as I know, firearms are much more dangerous than shit, but such topic is not censored - nor it should in my opinion.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
I think the point is that foul language will get the SITE blocked by corporate filters, firearms will not. Any steps that need to be implemented to serve the community (means NOT being blocked by filters) has got to be a good thing, filtering someone hobby b/c someone else may not like it is PC gone mad.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns. Other than that, anyone invited to my house is probably of the same mind as me, so no worries. Anyone NOT invited will be carried out in a bag, so again, no worries.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
-----
You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns.
Can I kick your dog? :laugh: PS. This comment was inspired by a bumper sticker I saw somewhere: "My wife, yes; my dog, maybe; my gun, never."
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
Dario Solera wrote:
Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about?
Yes, that is the point of the Lounge, trite and safe. :)
Dario Solera wrote:
Sure there is the backroom
Where NO body goes.
Dario Solera wrote:
I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately CP is the only place to come and have a chat about anything with anyone. But it is a lot LESS interesting than it used to be thanks to Chris and the Lounge Mobocracy. It might ne his site, but when it is opened up to the world, he is recinding control and cant in fairness act like a dictator. And neither can the 20 or so self styled police in the lounge. Introducing voting, and post removal, was the single worst thing Chris did. It has made people scared to come to CP, and I think it is evident in the number of posts and people you see posting these days.
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As was pointed out here and there, the big issue is the danger of getting site blocked by some organizations. So far, nothing has tripped the filter (or CP is explicitly allowed....I don't know and hesitate to ask...no need to bring anything to anyone's attention. After all, the Army blocked Port 119 because usenet had naughty things on it...somewhere... Kinda screwed up the support we had paid for from folks who used NNTP for it. I just hope no one mentions Wikil***s. That's an automatic block (per-page, at least). Even CNN gets blocked if they run a story on it. ;P
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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Nobody here said that he should be banned for that one act. I do see your point, but your argument would have stood better if only Chris had not reinstated his account. If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
Quite frankly that is BS.
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Really? Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms. If the internet worked like that and didn't, instead, empower the anonymous and unreproachable, then the world be be a better place.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace?
Sorry, you have created a company where engineers contribute articles for FREE, and give FREE advice, for your material gain, and you expect them to abide by YOUR rules as if invited to your house? Get a grip Maunder. --edit-- And no doubt because I have questioned the veracity of the 'oh mighty one' this acount will be deleted too, just like the last one.
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Well that was probably the starting point for my argument. Jimmy's reinstatement is not relevant to the fact that the net result of all this is that The Lounge has become a retirement home.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
I agree totally. CP used to be fun back before voting, when people could discuss anythign openly. Now between the actions of Maunder and a few self elected CP police it has become boring. It is the reason Oakman set up SB1, because of voting. But it had to be a provate forum, so it didnt attract new comers and casual users so is dying out. I say make CP what it used to be, remove rep points. Remove voting.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
Quite frankly that is BS.
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Oh, welcome back fatty. Your case was different though. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
