About the Kid Sister Rule, Bad Words and Firearms
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns. Other than that, anyone invited to my house is probably of the same mind as me, so no worries. Anyone NOT invited will be carried out in a bag, so again, no worries.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Keep your hands off my wife, my food, and my guns.
Can I kick your dog? :laugh: PS. This comment was inspired by a bumper sticker I saw somewhere: "My wife, yes; my dog, maybe; my gun, never."
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms.
Yes. But don't take your rules for granted by everyone else. Example: saying "oh God" might be offensive for someone but perfectly fine for you. Or, I find it very disturbing to talk about getting drunk every single Friday, so drunk you can't even walk home, but I never say anything about it. It's just part of people customs. I get over it. Yet again I would find vert bad to talk about getting drunk in front of my kid sister. My point is that everything was taken too seriously - for the sake of it. Someone broke the rules and he was treated as if he killed a baby. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for all this mess. And that is exactly what I'm referring to: meta-discussions about breaking rules, not bashing newcomers - or bashing newcomers, not talking about programming - but forgiving the occasional programming post by veterans that is marked as "not a programming question", talking about firearms like they are baby toys, but not allowing someone to game the system - not even for once. We often say ignore the trolls and then ban someone who behaved that way for just one time. I feel like I can speak more freely with the first stranger I encounter down the street. I do really feel like that. You can't believe how many times I started writing a post about something - from Windows 8 to nuclear accidents - and decided not to post it to avoid flames, because I knew I had strong opinions. Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about? Sure there is the backroom, but do you really think people close themselves in the closet to talk about such heinous topics like religion, politics and... rules? Sure this is your community and you and your team put enormous amounts of effort into it, so you are free to impose your rules, but don't expect them to be accepted by everyone, especially if they are wrong. I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff other than Visual Studio crashes and other amenities no one really cares about. It's just smalltalk after all. OK, I know I have gone too far from the original problem, but this is what I think.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your perso
Dario Solera wrote:
Is that what you really want? Dumb down discussions until there's nothing left to discuss about?
Yes, that is the point of the Lounge, trite and safe. :)
Dario Solera wrote:
Sure there is the backroom
Where NO body goes.
Dario Solera wrote:
I really miss the days when we did talk about interesting stuff
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately CP is the only place to come and have a chat about anything with anyone. But it is a lot LESS interesting than it used to be thanks to Chris and the Lounge Mobocracy. It might ne his site, but when it is opened up to the world, he is recinding control and cant in fairness act like a dictator. And neither can the 20 or so self styled police in the lounge. Introducing voting, and post removal, was the single worst thing Chris did. It has made people scared to come to CP, and I think it is evident in the number of posts and people you see posting these days.
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As was pointed out here and there, the big issue is the danger of getting site blocked by some organizations. So far, nothing has tripped the filter (or CP is explicitly allowed....I don't know and hesitate to ask...no need to bring anything to anyone's attention. After all, the Army blocked Port 119 because usenet had naughty things on it...somewhere... Kinda screwed up the support we had paid for from folks who used NNTP for it. I just hope no one mentions Wikil***s. That's an automatic block (per-page, at least). Even CNN gets blocked if they run a story on it. ;P
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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Nobody here said that he should be banned for that one act. I do see your point, but your argument would have stood better if only Chris had not reinstated his account. If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
Quite frankly that is BS.
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Really? Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace? Usually those rules never need to be made explicit - people just abide by the social norms. If the internet worked like that and didn't, instead, empower the anonymous and unreproachable, then the world be be a better place.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Do you have rules, even unwritten ones, about the behaviour of guests in your house, your workplace?
Sorry, you have created a company where engineers contribute articles for FREE, and give FREE advice, for your material gain, and you expect them to abide by YOUR rules as if invited to your house? Get a grip Maunder. --edit-- And no doubt because I have questioned the veracity of the 'oh mighty one' this acount will be deleted too, just like the last one.
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Well that was probably the starting point for my argument. Jimmy's reinstatement is not relevant to the fact that the net result of all this is that The Lounge has become a retirement home.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
I agree totally. CP used to be fun back before voting, when people could discuss anythign openly. Now between the actions of Maunder and a few self elected CP police it has become boring. It is the reason Oakman set up SB1, because of voting. But it had to be a provate forum, so it didnt attract new comers and casual users so is dying out. I say make CP what it used to be, remove rep points. Remove voting.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
If anything, you're pouting against the new feature that allows a few members to gang up and ban some person in particular. However, it does not happen all that often or without strong motivation, and when the cause is unfair, Chris is doing his part to make it even.
Quite frankly that is BS.
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Oh, welcome back fatty. Your case was different though. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I agree totally. CP used to be fun back before voting, when people could discuss anythign openly. Now between the actions of Maunder and a few self elected CP police it has become boring. It is the reason Oakman set up SB1, because of voting. But it had to be a provate forum, so it didnt attract new comers and casual users so is dying out. I say make CP what it used to be, remove rep points. Remove voting.
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Erudite__Eric wrote:
I say make CP what it used to be, remove rep points. Remove voting.
*That*, I'd agree on. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I agree totally. CP used to be fun back before voting, when people could discuss anythign openly. Now between the actions of Maunder and a few self elected CP police it has become boring. It is the reason Oakman set up SB1, because of voting. But it had to be a provate forum, so it didnt attract new comers and casual users so is dying out. I say make CP what it used to be, remove rep points. Remove voting.
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You've got your CP history a little wrong. The Soapbox was originally created because of me. At some point, the Soapbox because so controversial, that "The Back Room" was created to contain the more inflamatory messgaes, and the SoapBox was re-purposed. Ironically, I rarely visit either one.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
And discussion of GW is going to get it banned is it? And yet that is another 'rule' the self elected lounge police have imposed thanks to the quite franknly offensive voting system.
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Erudite__Eric wrote:
And discussion of GW
Did you edit your post for a typo? The email notification I got said And discussion of GE Just checking if something weird is going on with the charset or whatnot.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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So I've read what happened to Jimmy and I find it sad. The point is, how is writing shit any worse than writing about firearms? I find it's a welcome discussion topic here. As far as I know, firearms are much more dangerous than shit, but such topic is not censored - nor it should in my opinion.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
Many kid sisters use firearms. Heck, my cousin got a 223 for her 14th birthday.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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Oh, welcome back fatty. Your case was different though. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Oh, welcome back fatty. Your case was different though.
Oh, you mean fat_boy? Yes, I heard his account was deleted by Maunder, not by downvoting. And because of what? He never swore in the Lounge! He might have had strong views but since shen did mediocracy become mandatory? His account was deleted because he posted GW stuff in SB. Gosh, what shocking behaviour! :laugh: :laugh:
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Erudite__Eric wrote:
And discussion of GW
Did you edit your post for a typo? The email notification I got said And discussion of GE Just checking if something weird is going on with the charset or whatnot.
Just like that old Carly Simon song... "You're so funny, You probably think this joke is about you" My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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You've got your CP history a little wrong. The Soapbox was originally created because of me. At some point, the Soapbox because so controversial, that "The Back Room" was created to contain the more inflamatory messgaes, and the SoapBox was re-purposed. Ironically, I rarely visit either one.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The Soapbox was originally created because of me
I know. I said SB1 was created by Oakman to be like the poriginal SB when voting was added and the BR created.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Ironically, I rarely visit either one.
Because they have totally lost their fun? How Chris could consider closing the SB I dont know.It was the best forum on CP, lively, amusing, chalenging. Occasionally used by a few nutters, but on the whole a jolly good place. :)
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