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  • N Nemanja Trifunovic

    Not me, but I personally know five people who actively develop for IBM mainframes with languages such as COBOL, PL/I and Rexx. Three of them are at Verizon, one is a consultant and one works in a Swiss bank. I also know a guy wo was a RPG developer until recently and then decided to become a real estate agent :)

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    NormDroid
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    I bet their day rates are sky high.

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    • C Chris Maunder

      Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      Reiss
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      My first proper job involved writing COBOL on an AS/400 - god I'm feeling old :((

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      • C Chris Maunder

        Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        Dalek Dave
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        I worked on a massive project about 15 years ago that was COBOL. I created a huge database and had to link it to the epos system for Whitbread Brewers and Pub Management (Back when they still made what they laughingly called 'Beer'). Never since, and never again with a bit of luck.

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        • C Chris Losinger

          i spent last year translating a COBOL system into C++. it was quite an experience! it has a crazy mix of BASIC-like high level built-in stuff and C-like low level structures/unions/data type munging. plus, variable aliases are pure evil.

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          Chris Meech
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          Chris Losinger wrote:

          plus, variable aliases are pure evil.

          Is that in reference to COBOL's magical 88 Levels? :)

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            My first proper job involved writing COBOL on an AS/400 - god I'm feeling old :((

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            Dalek Dave
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            I was an AS400 sys op. Back when dinosaurs ruled the Earth!

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            • N NormDroid

              My only brush with COBOL was a Tech College, I'd prefer not to remember the experience.

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              Reiss
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              Sounds painful.. She was only a COBOL lecturer at my technical college but she broke my heart

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                Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                DaveAuld
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                Your not thinking of writing the code behind for CodeProject using NetCobol for .Net are you? http://www.netcobol.com/products/Fujitsu-NetCOBOL-for-.NET/overview[^]

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                • R Reiss

                  Sounds painful.. She was only a COBOL lecturer at my technical college but she broke my heart

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                  NormDroid
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                  Almost as bad as the vascetomy, but hey that's another story ;)

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                    I interfaced with COBOL in one of the projects to interface with a legacy AS400 based system. I did not have to understand the full program, just the data formats and the job got done with little googling.

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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      i spent last year translating a COBOL system into C++. it was quite an experience! it has a crazy mix of BASIC-like high level built-in stuff and C-like low level structures/unions/data type munging. plus, variable aliases are pure evil.

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                      Nagy Vilmos
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                      Chris Losinger wrote:

                      a crazy mix of BASIC-like high level built-in stuff and C-like low level structures/unions/data type munging

                      I've played that crazy shyte in the past. I think 92/93 was the last COBOL I did in anger and maybe 98/99 looking at it to find out WTF it was doing.


                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        My first proper job involved writing COBOL on an AS/400 - god I'm feeling old :((

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        I was a vet of three campaigns when I started AS/400 but it was deved under RPG


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          My first programming job was writing COBOL on a TI-990. It was COBOL 74 so didn't even have END-IF

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                          • C Chris Meech

                            Chris Losinger wrote:

                            plus, variable aliases are pure evil.

                            Is that in reference to COBOL's magical 88 Levels? :)

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                            Chris Losinger
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                            yep.

                            77 try-mid value 'n' pic x.
                            88 try-mid-n value 'n'.
                            88 try-mid-y value 'y'.

                            oh, you mean:

                            bool try_mid;

                            ?

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                              Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                              Gregory Gadow
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                              I got my current job 17 years ago because I knew COBOL. The company's minicomputer (yes, it was a 1980s Rand-McNally mini) used a non-relational Informix database interfaced using RM-COBOL applets and a job control language from Hell. I was the only one of 11 people they interviewed who admitted to knowing the language. I haven't done COBOL since 1999, when our entire system was replaced by MS-SQL and a VB front end as part of our regulatory upgrade for Y2K.

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                              • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                Not me, but I personally know five people who actively develop for IBM mainframes with languages such as COBOL, PL/I and Rexx. Three of them are at Verizon, one is a consultant and one works in a Swiss bank. I also know a guy wo was a RPG developer until recently and then decided to become a real estate agent :)

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                                Gary Wheeler
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                                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                PL/I

                                I wrote PL/I back in college. We used Digital Research PL/I-80 on CP/M systems in our computer graphics labs. Our high resolution displays (which cost the school about $10K apiece, at 1980 prices) were 256x192x8 colors.

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                                  Your not thinking of writing the code behind for CodeProject using NetCobol for .Net are you? http://www.netcobol.com/products/Fujitsu-NetCOBOL-for-.NET/overview[^]

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                                  All of the hamsters involved in handling your post have just spontaneously combusted.

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                                  • C Chris Losinger

                                    yep.

                                    77 try-mid value 'n' pic x.
                                    88 try-mid-n value 'n'.
                                    88 try-mid-y value 'y'.

                                    oh, you mean:

                                    bool try_mid;

                                    ?

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                                    Chris Meech
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                                    That's one example of their use. I used to use them a lot for "bit-wise" enumeration.

                                    15 ws-field-attr pic 9 comp.
                                    88 underscore value 1.
                                    88 blink value 2.
                                    88 protected value 4.

                                    And in some code there would be

                                    move hdr-field-def to ws-field-attr.
                                    if underscore Perform AddUnderscoreEscapeToBuffer.
                                    if bink Perform AddBlinkEscapeToBuffer.
                                    if protected Perform AddProtectedEscapeToBuffer.

                                    They allowed for pretty imaginative ways of writing truly readable code. :) [Edit] That code is probably not quite right, but it's the best I can do from memory since I'm only a couple of years away from retirement. :)

                                    Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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                                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                                      'Probably' interfacing to a COBOL system 'somewhere'. Our app communicates to everything via FIX and so for all I know there's a COBOL system out there, somewhere, talking ot us. :~


                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                      Ian Shlasko
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                                      Same here... I think our AS/400 accounting system is COBOL, but I reach it through HTTP/XML queries... But back in the 90s, I did spend part of a summer teaching an old COBOL programmer transition to VB...

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                        drolfson
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                                        Used to. Changed companies, but not for that reason. ;) Anyone here who works at HP and interfaces with the VISTA system, you fit within the category being discussed. (They been trying to kill that old AS/400 since Compaq inherited it in 2000.)

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                                        • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                          Not me, but I personally know five people who actively develop for IBM mainframes with languages such as COBOL, PL/I and Rexx. Three of them are at Verizon, one is a consultant and one works in a Swiss bank. I also know a guy wo was a RPG developer until recently and then decided to become a real estate agent :)

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                                          Member 96
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                                          Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                          wo was a RPG developer until recently

                                          Holy blast from the past. I actually learned a little RPG many many years ago, never did find a use for it though, or COBOL.


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